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Anyone else do the knights tango against d4?
I've tried it, certainly interesting....

Originally posted by onyx2006
Anyone else do the knights tango against d4?
I've tried it, certainly interesting....

its rare you get to defend it. since ive been here(redhotpawn) ive seen it twice as black, either i go d5, or knight f6.

Originally posted by pawnfondler
its rare you get to defend it. since ive been here(redhotpawn) ive seen it twice as black, either i go d5, or knight f6.

1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 Nc6

more info here:

http://www.jeremysilman.com/chess_opng_shrtcts/01_black_knights_tango.html

Nf3 is probably the best response. I've played the black side of this zillions of times. First prevent e7-e5, then eventually play a3 preventing a Nimzo structure. This opening is inherently inferior, but your opponent is on his own quickly. I am not familiar with Silman's analysis, but there is a reason why you don't see this in WC matches.

I recently bought Richard Palliser's book on the Tango and the following players are listed in the introduction as good exponents of the line: Alex Yermolinsky, GM Viorel Bologan, Nikolai Vlassov among others. The name Tango originates from the Moldovan trainer Vecheslav Chebanko. This is the first few moves from the start of chapter two headed - The dark squared centre: White Counters Dynamically,

1.d4..Nf6, 2.c4..Nc6, 3.Nc3..e5, 4.d5..Ne7

The dust jacket describes the Tango as "An easy to learn repertoire for club and tournament players"

I've put it to one side for the moment as it seems to be aimed a little above my level and I'm concentrating on other lines. But I see no reason why players here shouldn't experiment with it!

Originally posted by onyx2006
1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 Nc6

more info here:

http://www.jeremysilman.com/chess_opng_shrtcts/01_black_knights_tango.html

I read all of those articles by Joel and tried out the Tango. So far I am much more comfortable with my benko, so it's mainly a blitz weapon right now. OTB it's always fun to see the looks people give you.

Originally posted by arrakis
I just received my dvd from Foxy Openings called, [b]Annoying d-Pawn Openings Kinda has a nice ring to it. 😵

I'm gonna memorize every move in this video and I'll be ready for you... all of you annoying d-pawn players. 😏

What do you use against annoying d-pawn players?[/b]

Update:
Watched the video last night... fell asleep. 🙁
Went out, came back and tried to watch it again. There's some good stuff in the video, but 2 hours of positional moving is SO TIRING!
*YAWN* Boring for tactical players like myself.

I've come to the conclusion that most annoying d-pawn players are afraid of tactics - which means that they are afraid of risk. That's why they play positional chess; they are all mother hens watching over their flock. In fact, I would even carry this a step further and say that you can tell about a person's personality just by the way they play chess!

d-pawn players would never make a risky investment with their money.
e-pawn players might.

d-pawn male players would settle into a relationship with a person who they thought was stable.
e-pawn male players like wild women and fun! 😵

d-pawn players are probably Republican or conservative oriented.
e-pawn players want more out of life.

d-pawn players would never dream of gambling in a casino.
e-pawn players love it!

Whatcha think? My buddy shav is definitely an e-pawn player.

Originally posted by arrakis
Update:
Watched the video last night... fell asleep. 🙁
Went out, came back and tried to watch it again. There's some good stuff in the video, but 2 hours of positional moving is SO TIRING!
*YAWN* Boring for tactical players like myself.

I've come to the conclusion that most annoying d-pawn players are afraid of tactics - which means that they are afr ...[text shortened]... no.
e-pawn players love it!

Whatcha think? My buddy shav is definitely an e-pawn player.

This is BS. Was Najdorf (yes, from the -Sicilian) a positional player? His main opening with white was 1.d4. Also Kasparov, Alekhine, Bronstein, Spassky, Topalov, Van Wely, Mamedyarov, Carlsen.. all play(ed) 1.d4 regularly. None of these I would call risk-aversion players.

Originally posted by Mephisto2
This is BS. Was Najdorf (yes, from the -Sicilian) a positional player? His main opening with white was 1.d4. Also Kasparov, Alekhine, Bronstein, Spassky, Topalov, Van Wely, Mamedyarov, Carlsen.. all play(ed) 1.d4 regularly. None of these I would call risk-aversion players.

Gee guy, don't go crazy on me. It's an interesting idea, that's all. But I would have to say that the players you mentioned did not take a lot of risks. They only played moves that they felt would give them a maxinum return on their investment!

Originally posted by arrakis
d-pawn players would never make a risky investment with their money.
e-pawn players might.

d-pawn male players would settle into a relationship with a person who they thought was stable.
e-pawn male players like wild women and fun! 😵

d-pawn players are probably Republican or conservative oriented.
e-pawn players want more out of life.

d-pawn players would never dream of gambling in a casino.
e-pawn players love it!

Lol, u might be onto something there, more of a d4 person myself with an odd tendancy to break out now and then a go totally all e4ish... MMMaaaaaaadddd!!!

Originally posted by arrakis
Gee guy, don't go crazy on me. It's an interesting idea, that's all.

How very d4 of you!

Originally posted by Squelchbelch
How very d4 of you!

lmao.... (feeling e4ish)

Originally posted by arrakis
Gee guy, don't go crazy on me. It's an interesting idea, that's all. But I would have to say that the players you mentioned did not take a lot of risks. They only played moves that they felt would give them a maxinum return on their investment!

Lol. Like Topalov, you mean?

Originally posted by arrakis
Gee guy, don't go crazy on me. It's an interesting idea, that's all.

I've been wondering why people think d4 is a boring opening. just pile the forces behind the center, sac, and ka-boom! I think it's more about how you play it than what you play.

I've been playing exclusively d4 recently, and tactics are my strongest point by far. I look at d4 more as unstoppable power than playing it safe. e4 gives you a swarm of nasty little waves of attack, nice surf and tricky situations. d4 gives one big wave that comes from the deep, takes a little more time to build up, but when the surf's up it's one gigantic killer that demolishes everything with its momentum.

I'm more of a big wave guy.

Originally posted by wormwood
I've been wondering why people think d4 is a boring opening. just pile the forces behind the center, sac, and ka-boom! I think it's more about how you play it than what you play.

I've been playing exclusively d4 recently, and tactics are my strongest point by far. I look at d4 more as unstoppable power than playing it safe. e4 gives you a s ...[text shortened]... gantic killer that demolishes everything with its momentum.

I'm more of a big wave guy.

Recced! Good point!