Math Puzzles: Try to solve this problem

Math Puzzles: Try to solve this problem

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J

In Christ

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29 Feb 08

Ignore the point A. I'm talking about triangle CEB. And we don't know angle ECB, so you can't say that FDB is 30.

s

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29 Feb 08

Originally posted by Jirakon
Ignore the point A. I'm talking about triangle CEB. And we don't know angle ECB, so you can't say that FDB is 30.
got it
the 30º was my mistake again... i drew the triangle differently 😛

s

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angle of 32.5438107 done with inner products.

I'm also sure of Jirakon's solution (which gives the same result)


here's a mathematica notebook for whomever is interested:

pA = {0, 0}; pB = {1/2, Sqrt[3]/2}; pC = {1, 0}; pD = {3/4, Sqrt[3]/4};
ex = x /. Solve[Tan[Pi/18]*x + Sqrt[3]/4 - 3*Tan[Pi/18]/4 == Tan[Pi/3]*x];
ey = Sqrt[3]*ex;
pE = Flatten[{ex, ey}];
ED = (pE - pD)/Sqrt[(pE - pD).(pE - pD)];
EC = (pE - pC)/Sqrt[(pE - pC).(pE - pC)];
N[ArcCos[EC.ED]*180/Pi, 10]

a

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01 Mar 08

Originally posted by smaia
Let ABC be a triangle where AB = BC = AC.
From A, draw a line that intersects BC at a point D.
From the AD segment, draw a 20 degrees line that intersects AB at a point E. Determine the angle DEC.
This is not an easy problem.
Hint: Try to see invisible things.
Good luck. And consider yourself a genius if you resolve it in less than 30 minutes. Don't feel bad about yourself if you don't resolve it at all.
I found X=15 but i find it very hard to explain !

Quiz Master

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01 Mar 08

A hunch

Is it possible the answer is 32.5 degrees?

I'm thinking of constructing a circle such that D, E, C all lie on that circle. Then if the angle subtended at the centre by D & C were 65 degrees DEC would be 32.5.

Personally I dont think this is the answer but maybe the poser thinks it is?????

a

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01 Mar 08

I checked and I'm sure CED=15
Hint:draw BG,G is on AC,GBC=ECB......it would be easyer to draw.....anyway ........CED=15º

m

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01 Mar 08

Originally posted by alexdino
I checked and I'm sure CED=15
Hint:draw BG,G is on AC,GBC=ECB......it would be easyer to draw.....anyway ........CED=15º
I'm pretty sure it's not, but I don't understand your explanation as to where G is, or how it gives you CED.

s

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01 Mar 08

Originally posted by alexdino
I checked and I'm sure CED=15
Hint:draw BG,G is on AC,GBC=ECB......it would be easyer to draw.....anyway ........CED=15º
check this graphic (made by jerikon)
http://s117.photobucket.com/albums/o51/Jirakon/?action=view&current=Triangle.png

is it the same triangle you have?
jerikon also posted proof in page 3 for the angle z (32.54)

I done with another method, independently, and reached the same result.

Either you understood the problem in a different way or you made an error somewhere...

a

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Originally posted by mtthw
I'm pretty sure it's not, but I don't understand your explanation as to where G is, or how it gives you CED.
EG is parelel to BC and it gives you GED,GEC
I ran it again and it seems that CED can also be 20,25???
I must be doing somthing wrong...I don't think itcan be solved without sin. or cos.
When do the 2 weeks expire?

s

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04 Mar 08

It's been 16 days....

J

In Christ

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I'm starting to think that smaia was just trying to frustrate us by making us look for a nonexistent elegant solution.

s

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Originally posted by Jirakon
I'm starting to think that smaia was just trying to frustrate us by making us look for a nonexistent elegant solution.
your solution is elegant... you get there in 2 steps.

a

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the only simple conclusion i've reached is :10 < CED < 40 when will post the solution ?

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11 Mar 08

Dammit I want answers! Wheres this elegant solution that requires no maths other than basic geometry solutions!