Originally posted by PsychoPawnYou have a point here? Not trying to insult, but what are you saying?
Religion can be the worship of a piece of wood. It also IS the worship of jesus christ.
The piece of wood god, if true, is god, becoming a man so we can have a relationship with god in reality. 🙂
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJayI'm saying that no amount of rationalization will make the worship of jesus christ or christianity qualify as not being a religion.
You have a point here? Not trying to insult, but what are you saying?
Kelly
It IS a religion just like the worship of the greek, roman, norse gods are religions. Just like Hindu, Judaism, etc...
Christianity isn't special, it's a religion just like all the others.
That's what I am saying.
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Originally posted by PsychoPawnI see your point; however, I disagree *surprise* since unlike those
I'm saying that no amount of rationalization will make the worship of jesus christ or christianity qualify as not being a religion.
It IS a religion just like the worship of the greek, roman, norse gods are religions. Just like Hindu, Judaism, etc...
Christianity isn't special, it's a religion just like all the others.
That's what I am saying.
other beliefs Jesus Christ has made a way for us to have a relationship
with God in the here and now, that is different than just claiming you
believe a piece of wood is a god, or some other god is real. We were
discussing Christianity being a relationship with God, not just a matter
of acknowledging God is real. You can believe in God and not have
a good relationship with God. The major difference between Christianity
and almost all other belief systems is that unlike the others we see God
making a way for man to come to Him, instead of man attempting to
get right enough for God, or gods.
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJayunlike those
I see your point; however, I disagree *surprise* since unlike those
other beliefs Jesus Christ has made a way for us to have a relationship
with God in the here and now, that is different than just claiming you
believe a piece of wood is a god, or some other god is real. We were
discussing Christianity being a relationship with God, not just a matter
o ...[text shortened]... for man to come to Him, instead of man attempting to
get right enough for God, or gods.
Kelly
other beliefs Jesus Christ has made a way for us to have a relationship
with God in the here and now
Really? So you're saying Jews don't see themselves as having a relationship with god in the here and now? That's rather presumptuous of you and frankly, it's untrue since I have known and know a lot of jews who would disagree and do see themselves as having a relationship with god in the here and now. I'm sure many muslims would say the same.
It's just a part of your religion that states that jesus does that for you.
unlike the others we see God
making a way for man to come to Him,
So your religion is different from other religions. Wow, considering other religions are different from the other religions, that doesn't mean anything.
Sorry, your religion is a religion.
You haven't done anything but state parts of your religion as some kind of evidence that your religion is not a religion.
Originally posted by PsychoPawnNot in the same manner as Christians, no they don't.
unlike those
other beliefs Jesus Christ has made a way for us to have a relationship
with God in the here and now
Really? So you're saying Jews don't see themselves as having a relationship with god in the here and now? That's rather presumptuous of you and frankly, it's untrue since I have known and know a lot of jews who would disagree and d ...[text shortened]... te parts of your religion as some kind of evidence that your religion is not a religion.
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJayNot in the same manner as Christianity, so you are backpedaling on the idea that only Christianity allows an individual relationship to Jesus, God, or whatever? You talk about just worshiping a piece of wood,etc., but those people who do that are for sure having a personal relationship with whatever god they think they are worshiping and in older cultures the proof of the pudding for them comes in how the weather turns out, if the omens come true or not, they come true and that reinforces their inner relationship with their god. It is like the guy said, presumptuous to assume your religion is in any way superior to say a Bushman in South Africa.
Not in the same manner as Christians, no they don't.
Kelly
It is that presumptuousness that led to so many deaths by the hands of Christians and Muslims in the last 2000 years.
Originally posted by sonhouseSelfishness leads to the death of many people it is not restricted to
Not in the same manner as Christianity, so you are backpedaling on the idea that only Christianity allows an individual relationship to Jesus, God, or whatever? You talk about just worshiping a piece of wood,etc., but those people who do that are for sure having a personal relationship with whatever god they think they are worshiping and in older cultures t ...[text shortened]... usness that led to so many deaths by the hands of Christians and Muslims in the last 2000 years.
theist of any persuasion, as it isn't among atheist as well, it is a
human trait, we abuse whatever we can to acquire what we
want, desire, or lust for.
The relationship God won for us was done through Jesus Christ,
and there is nothing that compares to it anywhere among all the
faith in the world. Again, it wasn’t something we (people) can
lay claim to as it is something we achieved through our own
effort or righteousness, many establish their own righteousness
or belittle the concept, but we are made clean through Christ not
anything we do.
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJayReally? And what gives you the authority to dictate what their relationship is and isn't?? I'd call that pretty arrogant for you to claim to know better than them what their relationship with god it.
Not in the same manner as Christians, no they don't.
Kelly
If you can't read their minds then you have no authority to dictate that at all other than your RELIGION.
You still haven't mentioned a single way that your religion doesn't fit in the definition of a religion. Just in case you forgot what the definition of religion was:
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Religion
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Originally posted by PsychoPawnSimple, I can read. The OT has rules and regs on the relationship
Really? And what gives you the authority to dictate what their relationship is and isn't?? I'd call that pretty arrogant for you to claim to know better than them what their relationship with god it.
If you can't read their minds then you have no authority to dictate that at all other than your RELIGION.
You still haven't mentioned a single way th got what the definition of religion was:
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Religion
between God and man, while the NT has it fullfilled to where the
barrier between God and man was removed by God. If you understood
that you would be a step a head of the game.
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJayWell, you sure are arrogant aren't you.
Simple, I can read. The OT has rules and regs on the relationship
between God and man, while the NT has it fullfilled to where the
barrier between God and man was removed by God. If you understood
that you would be a step a head of the game.
Kelly
You can read?? Really?
All you are saying here is that you see your religion as giving you the right to judge other people's relationship with god being inferior to yours. It's nothing more than that.
You keep repeating tenets of your religion as if it somehow answers the question at hand which you have continuously avoided so far by just parroting your beliefs over and over.
Please explain how your religion does not fit the definition of a religion. That is the question at hand. Something you haven't even addressed directly.
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Originally posted by PsychoPawnAnd I might add to that: Why did your god not change the level of abuse of christians? Your answer would go back to the free will thing of course.
Well, you sure are arrogant aren't you.
You can read?? Really?
All you are saying here is that you see your religion as giving you the right to judge other people's relationship with god being inferior to yours. It's nothing more than that.
You keep repeating tenets of your religion as if it somehow answers the question at hand which you have co ...[text shortened]... of a religion. That is the question at hand. Something you haven't even addressed directly.
It would seem to me a god would want to increase the spirituality of said god's human stock by improving the base level of those humans not just giving the excuse god allows us free will. Free will is nonsense, we no more have free will than a tree can grow its leaves underground. If you don't believe that, just look at the data generated by the advertising industry, we buy what we are programmed to buy, we kill who we are programmed to kill, we love who we are programmed to love. So tell me again why your god did not improve the underlying stock of humanity instead of just letting the accumulated level of stupidity as is amply shown by the last couple three centuries of so-called progress which for the most part is simply re-organizing the planet in such a way as humans won't be able to live here any longer.
Do you think THAT is your god's hidden mysterious plan? It makes sense to me, get rid of the stupid human race, the one that can't make the distinction between sustainable and its own survival.
Originally posted by KellyJayI will remember these words of yours when responding to any of your future posts regarding your disbelief in..... (Insert KJ's latest conspiracy theory here).
Simple, I can read. The OT has rules and regs on the relationship
between God and man, while the NT has it fullfilled to where the
barrier between God and man was removed by God. If you understood
that you would be a step a head of the game.
Kelly
If you could read and understand a science book / journal YOU would be a step ahead of the game.
Originally posted by timebombted"FACTS? I don't need no stinking FACTS! I have JESUS...."
I will remember these words of yours when responding to any of your future posts regarding your disbelief in..... (Insert KJ's latest conspiracy theory here).
If you could read and understand a science book / journal YOU would be a step ahead of the game.
Hi KJ, sonhouse, Phsyco Pawn and all!
Kelly Jay, I forward this in order to show -how hard🙂- that Christianism is just another religion, and for sure one full of heresies. So we have Catholics, which are Christians allright, along with Simonians of Acts 8, Cerintheians, Judaizers, Circumcisers of Acts 15:1, Nicolaitans of Rev.2:6, The “Synagogue of Satan” of Rev.2:9, The “Throne of Satan” of Rev. 2:13, The “doctrine of Balaam” of Rev.2:14, Nazareans or “Jewish-Christians”, Docetism, Gnosticism, Neo-Gnosticism, Agnosticism, Marcionites, Ebionites, Montanism, Monarchians, Tritheism, Modalism, Basidilians, Carpocratians, Tertullianists, Origenists, Manicheans, Millenarians, Novatians Donatists, Arians, Macedonians, Appollinarists, Jovinians, Vigilantians, Pelagians, Semipelagians, Nestorians, Predestinarians, Monophysites Paulicians, Monothelites Iconoclasts, Adoptionists, Orthodox-Roman Catholic, Petrobrosians, Henricians, Waldenses, Albiguenses, Fraticelli, Flagellants, Lollards of John Wycliffe, Hussites, Moravians, “Church of the Brotherhood”, United Brethren, Protestants, Lutherans, Zwinglians, Church of England, Calvinism, Anabaptists, Episcopalians, Mennonites, Presbyterians, Puritans, Congregationalism, Huguenots, Reformed Dutch, Unitarians, Socinians, Baptists, Rosicrucians, Episcopalians, Quakers or Society of Friends, Universalists, Jansenists, Freemasonry, Shakers-Union Society, Methodists-“Holy Club”, Moravians-Church of the Brotherhood-United Brethren, Unitarians, Universalism, Unitarian-Universalist Association, Mormons, Adventists, Jehovah's Witnesses, Spiritualistic Churches, Salvation Army, Ku-Klux-Klan, Christian Science Church, Old Catholics, Modernists, Reformed Churches, Holiness Churches, Church of God, Church of Christ, Church of God in Christ, Pentecostal Movement, Charismatic Renewal, Snake Handlers, Worldwide Church of God, United Christian Evangelistic Association, Moonies-the Holy Spirit Association for the Unification of World Christianity, National Association of Evangelicals, Wicca, Church of Satan, Church of Scientology, Way International, Church universal and Triumphal, United Unitarian Universalist Association, Fraternity of St. Pius X, Palmar de Troya, Churches for Homosexuals, Children of God, New Age, Peoples Temple of Jim Jones, Branch Davidians WACO …and the beat goes on;
Religion, the greatest invention after the invention of "God"!
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Originally posted by black beetlePetrobtrosians? Christian chess players under the spell of Petrosian?
Hi KJ, sonhouse, Phsyco Pawn and all!
Kelly Jay, I forward this in order to show -how hard🙂- that Christianism is just another religion, and for sure one full of heresies. So we have Catholics, which are Christians allright, along with Simonians of Acts 8, Cerintheians, Judaizers, Circumcisers of Acts 15:1, Nicolaitans of Rev.2:6, The “Synagogue of WACO …and the beat goes on;
Religion, the greatest invention after the invention of "God"!
Replace the word 'Inventions' with Con games and I'll buy it!