Originally posted by black beetleAnd which one of these has the key to heaven? Who has the right faith?
Hi KJ, sonhouse, Phsyco Pawn and all!
Kelly Jay, I forward this in order to show -how hard🙂- that Christianism is just another religion, and for sure one full of heresies. So we have Catholics, which are Christians allright, along with Simonians of Acts 8, Cerintheians, Judaizers, Circumcisers of Acts 15:1, Nicolaitans of Rev.2:6, The “Synagogue of ...[text shortened]... WACO …and the beat goes on;
Religion, the greatest invention after the invention of "God"!
Originally posted by PsychoPawnYes I have addressed the core difference; you just failed to see it. It
Well, you sure are arrogant aren't you.
You can read?? Really?
All you are saying here is that you see your religion as giving you the right to judge other people's relationship with god being inferior to yours. It's nothing more than that.
You keep repeating tenets of your religion as if it somehow answers the question at hand which you have co ...[text shortened]... of a religion. That is the question at hand. Something you haven't even addressed directly.
goes to the point of why Christianity was even needed, since the OT
was in place what was the reason for Christianity and the NT? The
central point to Christianity is our relationship with God, our
righteousness before God. The OT if you took the time to ‘read it’
shows you how complex it was for man to come before God, it had
certain people doing specific things from the way they dressed and so
on, those people could talk to God on the people’s behalf. There was a
veil between the Holy of Holies and man that had to be passed
through, it showed the separated (symbolism) between God and man.
What God did through Jesus Christ was remove what kept man and
God apart by Jesus death through the shedding of Christ blood, and
Jesus resurrection from the dead. The difference between Christianity
and all other beliefs is that God actually saves us from our sin through
Jesus Christ, and that with that salvation has made a way to God
through Jesus Christ so we can have a relationship with God in Christ,
we do not need another person making away to God on our behalf,
Jesus has done it all for us.
I do not know what your definition of a religion is, I was speaking to
what makes Christianity unique from all others.
Kelly
Originally posted by sonhouseI am not sure what you are asking here? Are you saying that those
And I might add to that: Why did your god not change the level of abuse of christians? Your answer would go back to the free will thing of course.
It would seem to me a god would want to increase the spirituality of said god's human stock by improving the base level of those humans not just giving the excuse god allows us free will. Free will is nonsense, ...[text shortened]... man race, the one that can't make the distinction between sustainable and its own survival.
that claim to be Christians do not change with respect to abusing
others, and you'd really need to see that to make you believe that
God actually had a hand in the salvation of man? I'd submit to you
that God actually does change man and the level of all evil does
indeed drop due to Christ in their lives. Not everyone who claims to
be a Christian is one, and not everyone who has God in their lives
has over come the sinful nature of their own flesh either, but the
work is being done. Through out the world you see people whose
lives where changed by Christ doing all manner of things to improve
other's lot in life. The fruit of the Spirit is a byproduct not a
something to work on with respect 'being' a Christian, and those that
display that showing God's handy work in their lives.
Kelly
Originally posted by black beetleI agree with you that man makes things up as man goes, not trying
Hi KJ, sonhouse, Phsyco Pawn and all!
Kelly Jay, I forward this in order to show -how hard🙂- that Christianism is just another religion, and for sure one full of heresies. So we have Catholics, which are Christians allright, along with Simonians of Acts 8, Cerintheians, Judaizers, Circumcisers of Acts 15:1, Nicolaitans of Rev.2:6, The “Synagogue of ...[text shortened]... WACO …and the beat goes on;
Religion, the greatest invention after the invention of "God"!
to deny that. I would agree with you that man uses people's religion
as a source to gain power and whatever, man uses everything man
can to put himself over others. People kill others in the name of
life, people deny others freedom in the name of choice, people deny
this that and the other thing to make sure their little world is not
at all challenged at any level. Having many counterfeit dollar bills in
front of me does not mean that those in my wallet must now be
wrong or false too, so what is your point?
Kelly
Originally posted by FabianFnasJesus Christ is the way, the truth, and the light, no one comes to God
And which one of these has the key to heaven? Who has the right faith?
except through him. You can go to a Christian Church and be a solid
member your whole life, but if you miss Jesus Christ, you lose, you
must have a relationship with God through Jesus Christ.
Kelly
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Originally posted by KellyJayYes I have addressed the core difference; you just failed to see it.
Yes I have addressed the core difference; you just failed to see it. It
goes to the point of why Christianity was even needed, since the OT
was in place what was the reason for Christianity and the NT? The
central point to Christianity is our relationship with God, our
righteousness before God. The OT if you took the time to ‘read it’
shows you how com ...[text shortened]... tion of a religion is, I was speaking to
what makes Christianity unique from all others.
Kelly
You addressed the difference between your religion and other religions - NOT how your religion is not a religion. I don't care how you think your religion is different than others and I didn't ask you that question.
There isn't anything that I have failed to see. Please point out what I have, if I have.
I do not know what your definition of a religion is
My definition is the dictionary definition. I have posted it above. That is the question at hand. The question at hand is not what makes christianity different than other religions.
, I was speaking to what makes Christianity unique from all others.
I know. You were apparently asking a question that I did not ask.
I did not ask you what makes christianity different from other religions.
I DID ask you how you think christianity is NOT a religion?
Can you please address the question that I DID ask you?
Originally posted by KellyJayJust to remind you, this goes back to page 22 when you said you agreed with JayWill when it was mentioned that christianity was not a religion.
Yes I have addressed the core difference; you just failed to see it. It
goes to the point of why Christianity was even needed, since the OT
was in place what was the reason for Christianity and the NT? The
central point to Christianity is our relationship with God, our
righteousness before God. The OT if you took the time to ‘read it’
shows you how com ...[text shortened]... tion of a religion is, I was speaking to
what makes Christianity unique from all others.
Kelly
I am simply saying that christianity is a religion like all the others because it has tenets that are based on faith and fits the definition of a religon.
Of course it's different from all the other religions. Judaism is different from all other religions too, so is Islam. Give me a religion and I can also show you how it is different. The problem is that they are the same in the fact that they are all religions.
Originally posted by KellyJayI mean that Christianism is a religion like every other, just as Phsycho Pawn points out; furthermore, all these heresies show that Christianism is based on illogical interpretations made by individuals which they felt free to act so due to the "faith factor".
I agree with you that man makes things up as man goes, not trying
to deny that. I would agree with you that man uses people's religion
as a source to gain power and whatever, man uses everything man
can to put himself over others. People kill others in the name of
life, people deny others freedom in the name of choice, people deny
this that and the oth ...[text shortened]... not mean that those in my wallet must now be
wrong or false too, so what is your point?
Kelly
Another point is that we have to keep the religions in the churches and out of the governments, and to decide to make politics aiming to the welth of the human beings instead of promoting the so called "will of god". Bin Laden was sure that he fulfilled the will of his "god" when he destroyed WTC, president Bush Jr said that his "lord" told him to invade Iraq.
Another point is that we must always use our brain trying hard for a better comprehension of whatever comes and follows. There 's always a reason for everything, and this reason is never "the will of the god".
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Originally posted by KellyJayYes, you could have different opinions.., yet only 0 or 1 of those persons will be right. Ther e is exactly one and only one truth and it exists whether we know what it is or not.
... At strong team of people will have all
of that, they will look at things a little differently and could possibly
come up with something different depending on the subject matter
at hand and the data being presented, as the saying goes there is
more than one way to skin a cat. ...
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Originally posted by KellyJayOh, is it now? How do you know my close personal relationship with a piece of driftwood I stumbled upon in '82 isn't real? We talk all the time. 'Splinty' was best God at my wedding...
that is different than just claiming you believe a piece of wood is a god, or some other god is real. We were discussing Christianity being a relationship with God, not just a matter of acknowledging God is real.
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Christianity is a religion. You are entitled to your own opinions but you are not entitled to your own facts.
[i]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion
"Abrahamic religions are by far the largest group, and these consist primarily of Christianity, Islam and Judaism (sometimes the Bahá'í Faith is also included). They are named for the patriarch Abraham, and are unified by their strict monotheism. Today, around 3.4 billion people are followers of Abrahamic religions and are spread widely around the world apart from the regions around South-East Asia. Several Abrahamic organizations are vigorous proselytizers."
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Religion
a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/religion
the service and worship of God or the supernatural (2): commitment or devotion to religious faith or observance
http://www.yourdictionary.com/religion
any specific system of belief and worship, often involving a code of ethics and a philosophy the Christian religion, the Buddhist religion, etc.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/religion
1. belief in or worship of a supernatural power or powers considered to be divine or to have control of human destiny
2. any formal expression of such belief: the Christian religion
http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/Religion
The modern use the word to refer to a system of beliefs and practices (as in "the Christian religion"😉 ....
... "Abrahamic religions". This category includes the three religions which recognize Abraham as a part of their sacred histories: Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. The Baha'i religion also fits this description, but is more frequently overlooked on account of its small size and recent appearance.