@soothfast saidIt is easy to produce some claim about an assertion that someone makes if you have never actually listened to them, don't plan to, and don't care if what you say is true or not.
Quit using a YouTube video as a ballistic shield. State herein why dear Dr. Tour is still relevant to your case. Is there something else besides his assertions that organic molecules cannot form in space?
@kellyjay saidAgain, how is Tour relevant to your case? Organic molecules abound in space. We know this, and it disproves an assertion made by Tour. So, you having undoubtedly watched the whole video yourself, you apparently think something he has said in it is still germane and has some validity. What is it?
It is easy to produce some claim about an assertion that someone makes if you have never actually listened to them, don't plan to, and don't care if what you say is true or not.
Do you know what "bloviating" means?
@kellyjay saidRight now you are saying that if we don't all piss away the better part of an hour of our time watching some damn video of yours, we have no standing to even presume to debate you. This is lazy and cynical on your part. If you truly understand the message of the video, you should be able to relay that message in words on this forum. One claim made by Tour in the video is apparently already discredited, so what else you got?
It is easy to produce some claim about an assertion that someone makes if you have never actually listened to them, don't plan to, and don't care if what you say is true or not.
I know all about the "debate" tactic where one side barrages the other with endless hours-long videos, so as to peremptorily saddle the opposition with the "burden of proof" and claim the high ground based on the "authority" of the videos. We have a language. Use it.
@soothfast saidProduce a quote where what you and others was actually said, if you can’t then that just proves my point. It is easy to claim anything if the truth doesn’t matter to you. If you don’t speak to what he said in the context he said it, what is the point of any claim you have in this discussion.
Again, how is Tour relevant to your case? Organic molecules abound in space. We know this, and it disproves an assertion made by Tour. So, you having undoubtedly watched the whole video yourself, you apparently think something he has said in it is still germane and has some validity. What is it?
Do you know what "bloviating" means?
@moonbus saidProduce the quote from Tour that you claim can be put to bed, or is this one of those things where you make a claim without a real cause and can not back it up. Nonetheless you make the claim anyway because you know you you will just fade into the background never defending your baseless charge.
Organic molecules have been detected in a distant galaxy:
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/06/06/world/webb-telescope-distant-organic-molecules-scn/index.html
We can put Prof. Tour to bed now; his claim that organic molecules are improbable is well and truly refuted.
@kellyjay saidIf you can't explain how Tour lends credence to your position, I can only assume that it is because you either don't understand what he's talking about, or he's now fully discredited. Have you heard the old saying that you don't truly understand something unless you can explain it to someone?
Produce a quote where what you and others was actually said, if you can’t then that just proves my point. It is easy to claim anything if the truth doesn’t matter to you. If you don’t speak to what he said in the context he said it, what is the point of any claim you have in this discussion.
So you're just talking through your hat, then?
@moonbus said"Both positive and negative feedback loops describe the effect of an intermediate or product of a metabolic pathway on an enzyme that participates in the linked series of reactions. Thus, any metabolite, regardless of how far down the pathway it is, has the potential to be an allosteric regulator and participate in a feedback loop."
"Enzymes check it, and if it's not right another enzyme comes and ..."
False. Factually in error. Enzymes do not "check" anything. 11:16 minutes in. I don't need to look at the rest. He anthropomorphizes from the gitgo.
Explain the proper means by which that occurs since you seem to be at odds with everyone.
@soothfast saidThought so.
If you can't explain how Tour lends credence to your position, I can only assume that it is because you either don't understand what he's talking about, or he's now fully discredited. Have you heard the old saying that you don't truly understand something unless you can explain it to someone?
So you're just talking through your hat, then?
@soothfast said"Organic molecules abound in space." Where did Tour say anything about this that suggests these things don't exist? You cannot back up your claims but instead want to just spout off something you cannot back as true and leave it out there as if it is. I put the link on to discuss it, but so far you haven't, your making things up out of thin air as if they had anything to do with the content is all you have done. Difficult to explain what your imagination conjures up, but if you actually address some of the points made by Tour or even mine would be acceptable.
If you can't explain how Tour lends credence to your position, I can only assume that it is because you either don't understand what he's talking about, or he's now fully discredited. Have you heard the old saying that you don't truly understand something unless you can explain it to someone?
So you're just talking through your hat, then?
@kellyjay saidThat is the proper explanation.
"Both positive and negative feedback loops describe the effect of an intermediate or product of a metabolic pathway on an enzyme that participates in the linked series of reactions. Thus, any metabolite, regardless of how far down the pathway it is, has the potential to be an allosteric regulator and participate in a feedback loop."
Explain the proper means by which that occurs since you seem to be at odds with everyone.