30 Apr '20 12:51>
https://news.yahoo.com/scientists-perplexed-low-rate-coronavirus-170200046.html
@sonhouse saidthe original study is to be found here:
https://news.yahoo.com/scientists-perplexed-low-rate-coronavirus-170200046.html
@sonhouse saidA cytokine storm is often what kills a C19 patient: effectively the patient is killed by his or her own immune system's overzealous response to the virus. That has led me to wonder whether certain immunocompromised individuals may actually have a survival edge over healthy individuals, and whether immunosuppressants could help people overcome the virus without being overwhelmed by their own immune response.
@Ponderable
If I have it right, the problem with C19 and others of its ilk is it drives a super reaction from the immune system so it goes hyper and that is what causes the actual damage. Is that true? If so immunosuppressives might help.
@soothfast saidThe observation is that fewer people who are smokers present in hospital. One factor might be that it's possible that it was in part due to smokers thinking they must be more susceptible to the virus and so were more compliant with social distancing rules, another possibility is that because of 'smoker's cough' people were encouraged to keep their distance.
A cytokine storm is often what kills a C19 patient: effectively the patient is killed by his or her own immune system's overzealous response to the virus. That has led me to wonder whether certain immunocompromised individuals may actually have a survival edge over healthy individuals, and whether immunosuppressants could help people overcome the virus without being overw ...[text shortened]... do have weaker immune systems than adults, and that seems to help them in the case of this disease.
@eladar saidIn the paper it is expressively written that there is no knowledge about people using vaping devices, so i would expect that there is no infromation about nicotine patches.
Nicotine patch.
@ponderable saidOne possible problem is that the evidence concerns existing smokers. If it's due to some sort of social effect then it has no use as a treatment. If it's due to increasing ACE2 expression then an important factor is how quickly that happens. If it's within hours or days that's fine, but if you need to be smoking 20 a day for a few months then it's difficult to see a therapeutic use given the timescale of covid-19 disease progression. As a preemptive treatment, for people as yet uninfected, it doesn't seem helpful, as it's difficult to reconcile the protective effect of nicotine with the known harms of smoking and I believe pharmaceutical nicotine has harms including MI and addictiveness.
In the paper it is expressively written that there is no knowledge about people using vaping devices, so i would expect that there is no infromation about nicotine patches.
It would be interesting to investigate though.
@sonhouse saidDid he say that?
@Eladar
You know good and well the opioid crisis was 100% caused by big pharm who said early on there was no addiction associated with oxy.
It is offensive for you to say it is the victim's fault when fake pharmacies popped up right next to fake doctors office where in a town of 10,000 30,000 oxy pills were handed out.
@eladar saidCocodamol's my favourite, if you've got dental pain it actually works. Oxycontin's great, a friend had one left over and I had a dental abscess, I spent the afternoon curled up in bed without pain and feeling a little floaty...
@sonhouse
What moron believes opium is not addictive?
We know opioid are addictive and they are still handing them out.