Originally posted by galveston75I'll accept your view that you have evaluated all the archeaological and biological evidence and concluded that evolution is a complete fantasy. But now it's over to you to present your evidence and findings and demonstrate your alternative theory to evolution.
If a person is in the judicial system and is investigating the facts in a murder case and has two suspects and one has weak if any evidence against him and the other has over whelming evidence that points to his guilt, then which should the investigator persue?
This is a very simplistic example as to why when one's see that the evidence just doesn't st ...[text shortened]... h Robbie, if you guys don't want us here, fine. You guys stay out of the spiritual forums.
The case for the defence please.
Originally posted by twhiteheadAh, that's why some funny people label me as an evolutionist, like I was a member of the Evolutionary Society or somthing alike...
I know that, but a shocking number of people think that evolution and atheism are equivalent.
I'm not even an atheist, so when the same funny people compare me with Stalin, who really was an atheist (as far as I know), I get somewhat confused...
Those fundamentalists, those fundamentalists...
Originally posted by Proper KnobI know you'll "never" be satisfied Knob with anything I say. So I'm not here to please you in anyway as I know your only seeking confrontations. I feel I've said plenty and given sufficent explinations for my thoughts and beliefs, so if you want more...sorry.
I'll accept your view that you have evaluated all the archeaological and biological evidence and concluded that evolution is a complete fantasy. But now it's over to you to present your evidence and findings and demonstrate your alternative theory to evolution.
The case for the defence please.
The only thing I have to say is no one, including the Great Knob, has proved to me that evolution is remotely true. I simply ask for proof and it still has not been presented to me. All I ever get are words like: we think, we feel, we propose, it could have, it no doubt, etc, etc, etc...... could have happened this way.
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Originally posted by galveston75When Galveston says "I know you'll "never" be satisfied Knob with anything I say." he means "Why can't you just pray to Jesus, be saved, and get all the answers at one time?"
I know you'll "never" be satisfied Knob with anything I say. So I'm not here to please you in anyway as I know your only seeking confrontations. I feel I've said plenty and given sufficent explinations for my thoughts and beliefs, so if you want more...sorry.
The only thing I have to say is no one, including the Great Knob, has proved to me that evolut ...[text shortened]... , we propose, it could have, it no doubt, etc, etc, etc...... could have happened this way.
When Galveston says "So I'm not here to please you in anyway as I know your only seeking confrontations." he means "You make me so frustrated!"
When Galveston says "I feel I've said plenty and given sufficent explinations for my thoughts and beliefs" he means "I'm not in my church used to to explain so deep, when I say something people usually says hallelujah!"
When Galveston says "so if you want more...sorry." he means "read the [censored] bible yourself!"
When Galveston says "The only thing I have to say is no one, including the Great Knob, has proved to me that evolution is remotely true." he means "I don't understand evolution even if God himself explained it"
When Galveston says "I simply ask for proof" he means "but they seems so happy to know the secrets and I envy them"
When Galveston says "and it still has not been presented to me." he means "please try once more!?"
When Galveston says "All I ever get are words like: we think, we feel, we propose, it could have, it no doubt, etc, etc, etc...... could have happened this way." he means "continue, please continue"
Originally posted by FabianFnasTypical responce from a Godless person...Thanks for confirming it.
When Galveston says "I know you'll "never" be satisfied Knob with anything I say." he means "Why can't you just pray to Jesus, be saved, and get all the answers at one time?"
When Galveston says "So I'm not here to please you in anyway as I know your only seeking confrontations." he means "You make me so frustrated!"
When Galveston says "I feel I've ...[text shortened]... happened this way." he means "continue, please continue"
Originally posted by galveston75I'm not looking for a confrontation, i am looking for a debate, just like you. For why else would you be posting in these forums??
I know you'll "never" be satisfied Knob with anything I say. So I'm not here to please you in anyway as I know your only seeking confrontations. I feel I've said plenty and given sufficent explinations for my thoughts and beliefs, so if you want more...sorry.
The only thing I have to say is no one, including the Great Knob, has proved to me that evolut ...[text shortened]... , we propose, it could have, it no doubt, etc, etc, etc...... could have happened this way.
I'm intrigued, you say you have studied evolution all your life and through the course of these studies you have come to the conclusion that 150yrs of evolutionary scientific research is a fallacy. If evolution is rubbish then i would like to read your alternative theory. I think that's a fair question to ask don't you?
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Originally posted by Proper KnobSounds fair to me. As a wise person once said: stop tearing apart other people's ideas and put your own pecker on the block for a change.
I'm not looking for a confrontation, i am looking for a debate, just like you. For why else would you be posting in these forums??
I'm intrigued, you say you have studied evolution all your life and through the course of these studies you have come to the conclusion that 150yrs of evolutionary scientific research is a fallacy. If evolution is rubbish ...[text shortened]... would like to read your alternative theory. I think that's a fair question to ask don't you?
Originally posted by Proper KnobMy alternative non-theory is creation which is completely supported by the fossil record. That's an easy one.
I'm not looking for a confrontation, i am looking for a debate, just like you. For why else would you be posting in these forums??
I'm intrigued, you say you have studied evolution all your life and through the course of these studies you have come to the conclusion that 150yrs of evolutionary scientific research is a fallacy. If evolution is rubbish ...[text shortened]... would like to read your alternative theory. I think that's a fair question to ask don't you?
OK..Lets see what you come up with. Explain how these could have happened from nothing.
1. The sexes.
2. Eye sight and other sences.
3. Migration ability.
4. Sonar.
5. Emotions such as Humor.
6. Morality.
7. How life started. You can't have evolution without life. You can't have life without evolution evolutionist say.
8. Major gaps in the fossil record that disproves evolution.
I know these things usually show up on other list but this is my list and one that has never been explained.
If evolution is a fact then you should have no problem with just 8 simple answers that will make me think differently.
Originally posted by galveston75But if you don't know the answers to these questions, then you cannot know much about evolution, can you?
My alternative non-theory is creation which is completely supported by the fossil record. That's an easy one.
OK..Lets see what you come up with. Explain how these could have happened from nothing.
1. The sexes.
2. Eye sight and other sences.
3. Migration ability.
4. Sonar.
5. Emotions such as Humor.
6. Morality.
7. How life started. You can' ...[text shortened]... en you should have no problem with just 8 simple answers that will make me think differently.
Was it you who said that you have studied evolution for years? What did you? Sleep?
Originally posted by FabianFnasYes I did and there are no answers to these question or else you'd be answering them wouldn't you?
But if you don't know the answers to these questions, then you cannot know much about evolution, can you?
Was it you who said that you have studied evolution for years? What did you? Sleep?
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Originally posted by galveston75let us examine the first part of your theory shall we Glavo and see if it is in harmony with the actual evidence, here are the two opposing points of view
Yes I did and there are no answers to these question or else you'd be answering them wouldn't you?
Orthodox evolutionary theory anticipated a fossil record that contains:
1. Very simple life forms gradually appearing
The creation pattern theory anticipated a fossil record that contains:
1. Complex life forms suddenly appearing
Orthodox evolutionary theory anticipated a fossil record that contains:
2. Simple forms gradually changing into complex ones
The creation pattern theory anticipated a fossil record that contains:
2.Complex life forms multiplying after their biological kinds though allowing for variety
Orthodox evolutionary theory anticipated a fossil record that contains:
3.Many transitional 'links', between different kinds
The creation pattern theory anticipated a fossil record that contains:
3.No transitional links between different biological families
Orthodox evolutionary theory anticipated a fossil record that contains:
4.Beginnings of new body features, such as limbs, bones and organs
The creation pattern theory anticipated a fossil record that contains:
4.No partial body features, all parts complete.
what does the evidence from the fossil record actually indicate? Well early in what is called the Cambrian period, fossils of the major groups of invertebrates appear in a spectacular “explosion” of living things, unconnected to any evolutionary ancestors! for example the sponge, trilobite and jellyfish. (point number 1)
Evolutionary theory maintains that flying creatures evolved from transitional ancestors but none have been found, in fact on this very forum, it has been established that birds did not, i repeat, did not evolve from amphibians, as was previously established. (points 2 and 3)
No fossils of giraffes have been found with necks two thirds or three quarters as long as at present (point 4)
Lastly the so called case for transitional human beings, are in many cases unsubstantiated, or even fraudulent, entire skeletal structures being formed from a lower jaw bone and a few teeth!
Originally posted by robbie carrobieSounds convincing to me...
let us examine the first part of your theory shall we Glavo and see if it is in harmony with the actual evidence, here are the two opposing points of view
Orthodox evolutionary theory anticipated a fossil record that contains:
1. Very simple life forms gradually appearing
The creation pattern theory anticipated a fossil record that contains: ...[text shortened]... ven fraudulent, entire skeletal structures being formed from a lower jaw bone and a few teeth!
Originally posted by galveston75A challenge, i like it!!!
My alternative non-theory is creation which is completely supported by the fossil record. That's an easy one.
OK..Lets see what you come up with. Explain how these could have happened from nothing.
1. The sexes.
2. Eye sight and other sences.
3. Migration ability.
4. Sonar.
5. Emotions such as Humor.
6. Morality.
7. How life started. You can' ...[text shortened]... en you should have no problem with just 8 simple answers that will make me think differently.
A chance for me to increase my knowledge, and see how you respond, although i'm guessing what your reaction will be anyhow. I warn you now, this will be a long process as i have a lot of chess games going, but i will do my best to respond to each point when i can. Deal??
Firstly, i know your alertnative non-theory, as you put it, is creation. But for your creation 'non-theory' to hold, surely you must have evidence of a creator??!! I ain't seen any evidence so far!!
Point number 1.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_sexual_reproduction
http://www.evolutionary-philosophy.net/sex.html
Enjoy.