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Evolution and bats???

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Point 2.

Evolution of the eye.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/library/01/1/l_011_01.html

http://www.2think.org/eye.shtml

Not the link at the bottom of the page where a creationist responds to the article, and the author comments on his thoughts.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_the_eye

Enjoy.

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Originally posted by Proper Knob
A challenge, i like it!!!

A chance for me to increase my knowledge, and see how you respond, although i'm guessing what your reaction will be anyhow. I warn you now, this will be a long process as i have a lot of chess games going, but i will do my best to respond to each point when i can. Deal??

Firstly, i know your alertnative non-theory, as you ...[text shortened]... volution_of_sexual_reproduction

http://www.evolutionary-philosophy.net/sex.html

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perhaps you might like to have a peek at the fossil record then!

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Originally posted by robbie carrobie
perhaps you might like to have a peek at the fossil record then!
Maybe you'd like to have a chat with a paleontologist.

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Originally posted by Proper Knob
Maybe you'd like to have a chat with a paleontologist.
i can easily visit Glasgow university palaeontology department, i used to stay write next door to it in fact, and have on more than one occasion taken a skeleton (animal) that i have found, for identification. As an art student i used to copy the exhibits there. They have a rather amusing little feature which is meant to show the progression of a fish as it grows limbs, it is of course utter dogma and the usual postulation that one has grown accustomed to.

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Originally posted by Proper Knob
A challenge, i like it!!!

A chance for me to increase my knowledge, and see how you respond, although i'm guessing what your reaction will be anyhow. I warn you now, this will be a long process as i have a lot of chess games going, but i will do my best to respond to each point when i can. Deal??

Firstly, i know your alertnative non-theory, as you ...[text shortened]... volution_of_sexual_reproduction

http://www.evolutionary-philosophy.net/sex.html

Enjoy.
No Knob..you explain it in your own words if your capable.

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Originally posted by galveston75
Yes I did and there are no answers to these question or else you'd be answering them wouldn't you?
You are not interested to know the answers. Even if I explained them, so a child could understand, you would reject them. Because the knowledge of evolution is a threat to your beliefs. You are simply a evolution denier. Nothing can convince you.

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Originally posted by galveston75
Explain how these could have happened from nothing.
First of all, I don't think any of them 'happened from nothing'.

1. The sexes.
This arose fairly early on. However a detailed explanation would be way to much for this forum, and you wouldn't understand it anyway as you don't have enough knowledge of biology.

2. Eye sight and other sences.
Each sense arose differently at different times in different ways, but to take sight as an example, it starts with certain cells being sensitive to light either by chance or for another purpose. This is actually quite common - starting with chlorophyll that enables plants to 'see' ie they can grow or turn towards the light etc

7. How life started. You can't have evolution without life. You can't have life without evolution evolutionist say.
Which evolutionist told you that? Evolution is a process that takes place with all life forms (even you don't deny the basics), so you wont have life without evolution, but that is not equivalent to saying that evolution must exist before life as you seem to imply.

8. Major gaps in the fossil record that disproves evolution.
There are no such major gaps in the fossil record that disprove evolution. If you believe they are there, then point one out.

I know these things usually show up on other list but this is my list and one that has never been explained.
If evolution is a fact then you should have no problem with just 8 simple answers that will make me think differently.

If I fully explain one of the items, will you admit it? Will you remove it from your list?

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3. Migration.

http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0007504

http://animals.howstuffworks.com/animal-facts/animal-migration3.htm

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Originally posted by galveston75
No Knob..you explain it in your own words if your capable.
it seems to me my friend that you have as yet received not one satisfactory answer, and as is their want, the evolutionists have used their usual argument, 'you would of course not understand it', well well, it really confirms my own suspicions that this is a doctrine that they have blindly accepted and simply persist in repeating their ill conceived mantras! i wish you luck in your quest for simple unambiguous answers devoid of supposition and postulation, but at this point i dont hold out much hope!

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Originally posted by galveston75
No Knob..you explain it in your own words if your capable.
Well some of it is beyond me as it's incredibly complex biology, and of course i'm not capable i'm not an evolutionary biologist, but it should be a doddle for Galvo as he has been studying this topic all his life. don't really understand quantumn or particle physics either, but i trust that the people who deal with it do.

So if you REALLY want to learn you need to get reading, but i doubt you do. But i'll post all the links anyhow. Because that way you won't be able to pull the old 'you can't answer my question' line over and over again.

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Originally posted by Proper Knob
3. Migration.

http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0007504

http://animals.howstuffworks.com/animal-facts/animal-migration3.htm
what is it about your own words Noobster that you do not understand? anyone can look up a reference on a web site and post a link, so make with the readies!

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Originally posted by robbie carrobie
what is it about your own words Noobster that you do not understand? anyone can look up a reference on a web site and post a link, so make with the readies!
Because these eloquent writers can explain evolutionary biology better than this mere drummer can!!!

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Originally posted by robbie carrobie
it seems to me my friend that you have as yet received not one satisfactory answer, and as is their want, the evolutionists have used their usual argument, 'you would of course not understand it', well well, it really confirms my own suspicions that this is a doctrine that they have blindly accepted and simply persist in repeating their ill conceived ...[text shortened]... us answers devoid of supposition and postulation, but at this point i dont hold out much hope!
this is a doctrine that they have blindly accepted and simply persist in repeating their ill conceived mantras

This statement just sums up why i call you stupid. If you can't see the irony in that statement then there's just no hope for you Robbie!!!

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Originally posted by Proper Knob
Because these eloquent writers can explain evolutionary biology better than this mere drummer can!!!
yes it is well known, at least with all the drummers that i have ever played with, that they need to be restrained when crashing them cymbals, riding them high hats and beating them toms! however it seems to me, that the sign of a great teacher is that he/she can take very profound and complex ideas and explain them in simple easy to understand terms, whereas its relatively mundane to explain things in a complex manner, cloaked in language and technical terminology. Once one can actually get to the essence of the idea, then i find that in the great majority of cases, if it is well explained and perhaps illustrated, then it should not be too difficult to grasp.

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Originally posted by Proper Knob
[b]this is a doctrine that they have blindly accepted and simply persist in repeating their ill conceived mantras

This statement just sums up why i call you stupid. If you can't see the irony in that statement then there's just no hope for you Robbie!!![/b]
yes yes, another evolutionary mantra, 'your just dont understand', i rest my case, the evidence against you people is incontrovertible and quite damning! we on the other hand are interested in evidence and can substantiate our beliefs!

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