Originally posted by robbie carrobieI could be wrong, but I thought some christians , when tracing back the biblical geneology, came up with 6000 years for the 'emergence' of Adam and Eve.
rather than answer your question directly, please state, where you have been given the idea, that everything was created six thousand years ago, for it is certainly not a biblical source.
Originally posted by karoly aczeli feel that you should ask the question in the spirituality forum my friend, people around here are a little touchy touchy with this sort of thing, and who can blame them? as it is a purely theological question, for it relates not to science, but biblical chronology. Suffice to say, that there were huge gaps, of an undetermined period, between the biblical creative days and it may even be asserted that there was a large period between the creation of Adam and Eve, also 'emerge', is not an appropriate description, for it has evolutionary connotations, the Bible clearly states than humans were a direct creation.
I could be wrong, but I thought some christians , when tracing back the biblical geneology, came up with 6000 years for the 'emergence' of Adam and Eve.
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Originally posted by Proper KnobI have looked at them all. This is a good one:
Time and time again you have things explained to you but you don't listen. There's been about 7 or 8 posters on this thread who've taken the time to explain aspects of evolution to you, but you either ignore them or go off on a tangent that bears no resemblance to whats been explained to you.
I've given you 7 or so links to websites that will provide tion because it contradicts your Christian faith, and your faith is more important to you.
"However, a research framework based on creation of variation has yet to be found that allows one to determine whether the reason for sex is universal for all sexual species, and, if not, which mechanism is acting in each species."
And I still love the words: "hypotheses, maybe, it is assumed, it is accepted."
Those words do not do much to convence me that it happened that way.
They still with all the babel they have, do not answer very simple questions. Your not able to answer that very simple questions either. Why not?
Do you guys actually read these so called referances that you post saying that they prove the subjects were discussing? I think you need to slow down and read word for word at what's really being said. Again all throughout them in almost every sentence the words, maybe, could have, possible, it is assumed etc, are all thru these articles. How on earth can supposed intellegent humans fall for this and bet their whole beliefs on assumtions? Wow!!!
My case is closed on this as it amazes me that you guys, who I can tell are intellegent, can't see the obvious and it sure isn't me that will ever convince you.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieI answered your question directly. You have chosen not to answer mine.
i feel that you should ask the question in the spirituality forum my friend, people around here are a little touchy touchy with this sort of thing, and who can blame them? as it is a purely theological question, for it relates not to science, but biblical chronology. Suffice to say, that there were huge gaps, of an undetermined period, between the b ...[text shortened]... it has evolutionary connotations, the Bible clearly states than humans were a direct creation.
You're telling me to take it to the spirituality! Ha!! Turn it up!
I have provided some bat facts as per the title of the thread. I have asked a question, which I believe there is more than one way to look at. If you don't want to answer, thats fine- just don't bug me . 😛
Originally posted by galveston75You say "look around you for evidence". Fine. Thats a fairly logical line of reasoning.
Do you guys actually read these so called referances that you post saying that they prove the subjects were discussing? I think you need to slow down and read word for word at what's really being said. Again all throughout them in almost every sentence the words, maybe, could have, possible, it is assumed etc, are all thru these articles. How on earth ca ...[text shortened]... tell are intellegent, can't see the obvious and it sure isn't me that will ever convince you.
Now I say "Look inside you for evidence".
And I say that , knowing fully well that I'm in the science forum.
And Fabian says"science and religon do not mix" .
Well clearly a lot of people think they do-often with disasterous results. Just look at Tom Cruise... what a jerk!!!!
Originally posted by karoly aczelLol..I'll agree with the Tom C thing.
You say "look around you for evidence". Fine. Thats a fairly logical line of reasoning.
Now I say "Look inside you for evidence".
And I say that , knowing fully well that I'm in the science forum.
And Fabian says"science and religon do not mix" .
Well clearly a lot of people think they do-often with disasterous results. Just look at Tom Cruise... what a jerk!!!!
Originally posted by galveston75Ok,sir. My question was that if bats have been 'evolved' with the attributes they have(as I mentioned earlier)for 10 000 years , Whose side do those facts lend support to . The creationists or the evolutionists? And why?
I'm sorry, I'm not ignoring you. Please ask the question again. Thanks.
Originally posted by karoly aczelIf they truly did evolve, which there is no proof of that, then evolution would be proved true. But sence there is no proof that they evolved then that would mean an intelligent designer created them with the attributes such as a fully functional echo location ability already in place.
Ok,sir. My question was that if bats have been 'evolved' with the attributes they have(as I mentioned earlier)for 10 000 years , Whose side do those facts lend support to . The creationists or the evolutionists? And why?
If you need to rely on such an ability to survive while hunting for a food source, that function would have to work from day one and not slowly evolve in many unfunctional stages. It would never survive those thousands of years with a partially working radar. It either works or it doesn't.
Originally posted by galveston75"that function would have to work from day one"
If they truly did evolve, which there is no proof of that, then evolution would be proved true. But sence there is no proof that they evolved then that would mean an intelligent designer created them with the attributes such as a fully functional echo location ability already in place.
If you need to rely on such an ability to survive while hunting for ...[text shortened]... survive those thousands of years with a partially working radar. It either works or it doesn't.
Still don't got it, do you? There was no day one. Only creationists would use such a description. It was a evolution, and evolution doesn't happen from one day to another! You really have to study some evolution theory!
"It either works or it doesn't."
Again a sign of your non-existant knowledge of evolution. Of course there are a lot of in-betweens. During evolution of a specie to a specific quality, of course there are a number of steps forward, one after another. Humans wasn't there from 'day one' with a full grown brain. Cats wasn't there from 'day one' with their night vision. Everything gets better and better as long as it is needed for better survival. You really have to study some evolution theory!
Originally posted by FabianFnas"There was no day one."
"that function would have to work from day one"
Still don't got it, do you? There was no day one. Only creationists would use such a description. It was a evolution, and evolution doesn't happen from one day to another! You really have to study some evolution theory!
"It either works or it doesn't."
Again a sign of your non-existant knowledge of evo ...[text shortened]... s it is needed for better survival. You really have to study some evolution theory!
In the case of a bat somehow developing this radar..yes, there had to be a day 1, a day 15,017, a day 307,003, etc. No where in this so called fossil record that "proves evolution", does that exist fabian..no where. If there is I'm waiting for the proof sir!
Originally posted by galveston75You mean that you actually belives that there really was the first day that a bat had echo hearing? Perhaps the day 307,003. Is this what you say? This means that the day before, i.e. the day 307,002, bats had no echo hearing? Did I understand you correctly in these fantastic facts of yours?
"There was no day one."
In the case of a bat somehow developing this radar..yes, there had to be a day 1, a day 15,017, a day 307,003, etc. No where in this so called fossil record that "proves evolution", does that exist fabian..no where. If there is I'm waiting for the proof sir!
So suddenly, simultaneously every bat on earth, from one day to another, a full grown echo hearing had developed? Becuase you said that "It either works or it doesn't.", meaning there was no in-between echo hearing, it was no halfway echo hearng, something nealy echo hearing. Poff, and there was echo hearing, and god liked what he had done that day?
You have studied evolution you say, and this is the result of your wisedom? No, back to school, laddie, and redo your studies. You've flunked!
You want proofs of evolution, yet there are proofs in abundance, everywhere!, just go open your eyes and there it is!
But you don't have any scientific proofs for the creation theory of yours, yet you believe it blindly.
Originally posted by FabianFnasWell I've been told this is a science forum and not for religion. We've discussed this already in the religious forums and nothing I can say affects you. So I will not waist my time here.
You mean that you actually belives that there really was the first day that a bat had echo hearing? Perhaps the day 307,003. Is this what you say? This means that the day before, i.e. the day 307,002, bats had no echo hearing? Did I understand you correctly in these fantastic facts of yours?
So suddenly, simultaneously every bat on earth, from one day ...[text shortened]... 't have any scientific proofs for the creation theory of yours, yet you believe it blindly.
But you not listening. Yes there had to be a 1st day somewhere in the past according to evolutionist that this creature somehow starting to develop the ability to use radar as he no doubt didn't have it somewhere in his earlier years of evolving. Am I wrong on this?