Originally posted by KellyJayAgain, fibers' moving isn't indicative of degrading. If your arms moved downwards to your hips,
I was thinking about this conversation, decay was used to describe
parts of the universe around us; however, it is poorly used to describe
the break down of systems, degrading is better word to describe a
system breaking down. I'll respond later to any point you want to
alter since I'm changing up words on you.
Kelly[/b]
that wouldn't be degrading, it would just be an alteration. If your arms started to shrink, that
would be degrading.
Now, you naturally don't believe your arms ever grew out of your hips because there is no evidence
anywhere to support that.
Similarly, there is no evidence to support that nerve fibers moved from behind the retina to in
front of it.
So, I'll ask again: what reason would we have to believe that the human eye is structurally
different now than when it was 'intelligently designed?'
Nemesio
Originally posted by NemesioYou are talking about putting together tinker toys here, the building
Again, fibers' moving isn't indicative of degrading. If your arms moved downwards to your hips,
that wouldn't be degrading, it would just be an alteration. If your arms started to shrink, that
would be degrading.
Now, you naturally don't believe your arms ever grew out of your hips because there is no evidence
anywhere to support that.
Similarly, ...[text shortened]... eye is structurally
different now than when it was 'intelligently designed?'
Nemesio
block to life is through how the mutations of DNA react upon structures.
So things can get added or subtracted, not just moved.
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJayI'm talking about the human eye, but you seem to want to distance yourself from this line of
You are talking about putting together tinker toys here, the building
block to life is through how the mutations of DNA react upon structures.
So things can get added or subtracted, not just moved.
Kelly
conversation by bringing up things that are irrelevant to it.
What reason do we have to believe that the human eye is any different than the way it was first
'intelligently designed?'
Nemesio
Originally posted by NemesioKellyJay retorics: "If you cannot answer the question and you feel stupid about it, then change the subject so your opponent perhaps doesn't notice it."
I'm talking about the human eye, but you seem to want to distance yourself from this line of
conversation by bringing up things that are irrelevant to it.
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Originally posted by NemesioYea, the human eye...
I'm talking about the human eye, but you seem to want to distance yourself from this line of
conversation by bringing up things that are irrelevant to it.
What reason do we have to believe that the human eye is any different than the way it was first
'intelligently designed?'
Nemesio
You claim the blind spot is a flaw.
I said, two things concerning that.
1st I don't know what the results long term would be if it was not that
way, so I'm not incline to call it a flaw, just because.
2nd If it is a flaw, I pointed out that living systems are degrading from
the time of creation, and the flaw could be simply a part of that
process.
If you want to know why I think life was better at creation read the
account, we lived longer and that proves we were healthier during that
time before the flood.
Kelly
Originally posted by PBE6Depends on how and who designed it. If God did it, and the creation
So intelligent design includes built-in obsolescence? Did God work for Ford? 😕
story is correct sin was introduced into the system and sin brings about
death so these do go into a state of decay or degrading.
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJayGod is not supposed to be stupid. Allowing sin into the game seems like a stupid thing to do, if its the one thing God can't stand. How does this make any sense?
Depends on how and who designed it. If God did it, and the creation
story is correct sin was introduced into the system and sin brings about
death so these do go into a state of decay or degrading.
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJayWe lived longer because we had less knowledge... it's in the bible. The more we know of good and evil the less we can be allowed to live.
Yea, the human eye...
You claim the blind spot is a flaw.
I said, two things concerning that.
1st I don't know what the results long term would be if it was not that
way, so I'm not incline to call it a flaw, just because.
2nd If it is a flaw, I pointed out that living systems are degrading from
the time of creation, and the flaw could be simply a par ...[text shortened]... , we lived longer and that proves we were healthier during that
time before the flood.
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJay…sin brings about death so these do go into a state of decay or degrading.
Depends on how and who designed it. If God did it, and the creation
story is correct sin was introduced into the system and sin brings about
death so these do go into a state of decay or degrading.
Kelly
..…
How did ‘death’ or ‘sin’ result in ALL people’s retinas being put back-to-front so that we ALL have a blind spot?
Is there any particular person’s death or any particular ‘sin’ that caused this and, if so, which one and how exactly was it causally linked to the creation of the blind spot?
Originally posted by tomtom232What? I've read the Bible cover to cover more than once, and you
We lived longer because we had less knowledge... it's in the bible. The more we know of good and evil the less we can be allowed to live.
are saying something that needs defended. Knowledge was never,
and I mean never the issue, it was the knowledge of good and evil
and mainly because of evil, we were simply not ready yet, nothing else
was refused knowledge wise.
Kelly
Originally posted by Andrew HamiltonSin brought about death, until that time we were eternal beings,
[b]…sin brings about death so these do go into a state of decay or degrading.
..…
How did ‘death’ or ‘sin’ result in ALL people’s retinas being put back-to-front so that we ALL have a blind spot?
Is there any particular person’s death or any particular ‘sin’ that caused this and, if so, which one and how exactly was it causally linked to the creation of the blind spot?[/b]
our make up was not one for decay and our design was not built
to degrade, the wages of sin is death and with it, all that entails.
Kelly
Originally posted by PBE6That is the big debate over free will and sin, and more than likely
God is not supposed to be stupid. Allowing sin into the game seems like a stupid thing to do, if its the one thing God can't stand. How does this make any sense?
should be started (again) in the spiritual board.
Kelly