Originally posted by PBE6You think something is missing outside of just the raw material?
You said that life can never arise from non-life. Humans at a basic level are made of a large number of atoms of various elements, mostly: oxygen (61% by weight), carbon (23% ), hyrdorgen (10% ) and nitrogen (3% ), with a few other trace elements. Atoms are not alive, but humans are. What is the secret ingredient that's missing?
I've been having this discussion about getting the raw material in
the proper order, if you asking about a spark of life like a spirit or
soul we would not be discussing anything science could look for.
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJayActually, there probably are good biological reasons why we didn’t evolve to have eyes at the back of our heads: the biological cost of having eyes at the back of our heads would probably outweigh the biological benefits! -if that was not true then I assume that natural selection would have selected for the occasional freak mutation that resulted in that until not only we but most vertebrates would have eyes at the back of our heads!
Okay, it would look bad so a blind spot very small in your sight is worth
complaining about because an arrow may kill you, but not seeing what
is coming up from behind is okay because that would look funny. 🙂
Kelly
Eyeballs are delicate structures that are prone to injury that could lead to deadly infections and death! -I bet this cost of having extra eyes would more than offset the benefit of seeing danger approaching from behind you!
-but, even if I am completely wrong about that and even if the biological benefits of having eyes at the back of our heads DO outweigh the biological costs, that would simply mean that the fact that we don’t have eyes at the back of our heads is yet another example of one of those “evolution’s blunders“ (like the blind spot -and note that there is no evidence of ANY biological benefits of having a blind spot) thus confirming the hypothesis that the process that designed us couldn’t have much intelligence if any.
Some spiders have eyes at the back of their heads but spiders eyes are not delicate like ours but tough structures with a hard dry lenses which are not prone to injury nor infection thus, for those species of spider, what must be the tiny biological cost of having eyes at the back of their heads is probably more than outweighed by the biological benefits.
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Originally posted by KellyJayYou said that life could never arise from non-life. Humans are made of non-living particles, yet we are alive. I'm not asserting anything, I'm asking you the following:
You think something is missing outside of just the raw material?
I've been having this discussion about getting the raw material in
the proper order, if you asking about a spark of life like a spirit or
soul we would not be discussing anything science could look for.
Kelly
How can a person made of non-living things be alive?
Originally posted by KellyJayIt turns out that is what our neck is for, but you didn't answer my question, if we are devolved, why are we not at the neandertal level?
If are complaining that a blind spot that small can be thought of as
a flaw, why not complain you don't have eyes in the back of your
head?
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJayWell suppose some magical science fictional machine was developed that could EXACTLY duplicate the position and composition of every atom of every molecule of a living human and out of the machine pops an exact duplicate clone of the original. Would the clone, which now speaks, and wonders where his wife is, and what am I doing here, am I in a hospital, did I get into an accident, he is saying all of those things as you might expect under those circumstances, is he alive? Does he have a 'soul'? Does he have a 'spirit'?
Imbued with life? What do you mean by that, not trying to be funny
or trick you, I honestly don't know what your asking.
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJay
Yes, a blind spot that takes up .5% is better than one that takes up
2%.
Good. You agree a blind spot is less ideal than no blind spot if all other things are the same.
A blind spot could stop your vision from being completely burned
up too, or it could stop something else nasty from happening and only
having a loss of 2% stops all of that from occuring would make that
2% acceptable.
This is true. What reason do you have to believe that this is more likely
than the alternative -- that lacking a blind spot would cause nothing?
Nemesio
Originally posted by NemesioDNA is the code for life is it not?
Huh?
The belief about evolution is that over time radom changes occured.
The good and bad changes over time caused life to evolve.
The belief is that random changes will improve life over time.
I'd like you to show this can happen in a complex computer program
by adding to it key strokes randomly over time in the program's code.
Kelly
Originally posted by PBE6Since the debate is can that happen without design, I'd say your
You said that life could never arise from non-life. Humans are made of non-living particles, yet we are alive. I'm not asserting anything, I'm asking you the following:
How can a person made of non-living things be alive?
using life as an example is a bit presumptuous on your part.
Kelly
Originally posted by PBE6How can a person made of non-living things be alive?
You said that life could never arise from non-life. Humans are made of non-living particles, yet we are alive. I'm not asserting anything, I'm asking you the following:
How can a person made of non-living things be alive?
We can show how a designed systems can come to be, I've yet to see
one as it is believed occured without design involved.
Kelly
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Originally posted by Nemesio[/b]I do no know, again, I was giving you suggestions on why that spot
Originally posted by KellyJay
[b]Yes, a blind spot that takes up .5% is better than one that takes up
2%.
Good. You agree a blind spot is less ideal than no blind spot if all other things are the same.
A blind spot could stop your vision from being completely burned
up too, or it could stop something else nasty from happening and only ...[text shortened]... s more likely
than the alternative -- that lacking a blind spot would cause nothing?
Nemesio
could be there. If it is there by design, a designer who could get that
much 'right' about vision as there is correct, would know the ROI on not
having that spot there, or not.
Kelly
Originally posted by sonhouseIts your made up story, whatever you say is the way it is.
Well suppose some magical science fictional machine was developed that could EXACTLY duplicate the position and composition of every atom of every molecule of a living human and out of the machine pops an exact duplicate clone of the original. Would the clone, which now speaks, and wonders where his wife is, and what am I doing here, am I in a hospital, did ...[text shortened]... pect under those circumstances, is he alive? Does he have a 'soul'? Does he have a 'spirit'?
Kelly
Originally posted by sonhouseMaybe the neandertal level was where the apes started? You connect
It turns out that is what our neck is for, but you didn't answer my question, if we are devolved, why are we not at the neandertal level?
the dots to fit the story you want to push you can make anything fit,
that is the reason I dislike people telling me the chain of life took
this path from simple to complex. We really only know what we found,
why and what that means has always come from between the ears of
someone.
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJayYou said it couldn't happen at all, without help. To be explicit, when I asked you if life could ever arise from non-life, you said "no, not on its own." If that's the case, how could any sort of design help bring something non-living to life?
Since the debate is can that happen without design, I'd say your
using life as an example is a bit presumptuous on your part.
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJayI don't think it's possible that a "designed system" can exist without being designed, it's kinda right there in there in the name. 🙄 However, it is possible that a system that appears to have been designed was not in fact designed.
[b]How can a person made of non-living things be alive?
We can show how a designed systems can come to be, I've yet to see
one as it is believed occured without design involved.
Kelly[/b]