Originally posted by KellyJayTiming definitely is important, especially if you're considering whether or not the fact that you can set your watch by an event in a given system is evidence of its design or not. In the case of Old Faithful, it is not evidence of design.
I already gave you an answer on this.
Timing is very important in systems, yet the universe itself is a timing
event in progress. Does this mean something or not?
Kelly
But I was referring to the part about viruses. You asked for a complex system that replicates itself, although you wouldn't accept any living organisms as you consider them designed. A virus is not alive.
Originally posted by KellyJayYour literacy is stunningly poor.
What opinion have I express about the human eye and the octopus
comparison outside of the fact comparing the two are comparing
apples and oranges? I don’t care about the blind spot like you do,
it isn’t even on my radar, since we get a long perfectly fine with it
as it is. Is it a design flaw, or a result of evolution in degrading
sort of way? I cannot ...[text shortened]... hy, you seem to want
to ignore that to prove your pointless points in your comparisons.
Kelly
What reason would an Intelligent Designer have for giving a blind spot to a
whale or dolphin when He could just as easily give a blind spotless eye like an
octopus?
I know this isn't on your radar because you consider 'I don't know' a reason.
I know you think this is pointless because you maintain selective skepticism
to empirical evidence. I know that you think that expressing a random
unsupported, logically untenable concerns constitute 'reasonable doubt' in
your scientific hermeneutic.
None of this changes that you've offered no reasons whatsoever for any of
the claims that you've offered. I know in your church this constitutes proof
for God, but for the rest of the world, it's just an ostrich sticking its head in
the sand.
Sack up, give reasons for your skepticism, or admit of your hypocritical
hermeneutic.
Nemesio
Originally posted by KellyJayIs it simply beyond our level of technology and understanding to create a living being out of non-living matter currently, or is it forever out of reach for any mortal being to ever create a living being out of non-living matter, no matter what level of technology and understanding is ever obtained?
I'm saying if you have the power and the ability sure, but I think it is
beyond us.
Kelly
Originally posted by PBE6Actually, if you count viruses as “living” then non-living matter has already been used to reconstruct a virus ( http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1490301 ) -so how long will it be before the first living simple bacteria cell can be reconstructed out of non-living matter?
Is it simply beyond our level of technology and understanding to create a living being out of non-living matter currently, or is it forever out of reach for any mortal being to ever create a living being out of non-living matter, no matter what level of technology and understanding is ever obtained?
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Originally posted by Andrew HamiltonErm...I was asking the question more to hear what KellyJay has to say, especially about who or what has the "power" to create a living being, and what that "power" might be (bet you dollars to doughnuts he will eventually have to say "God" ).
Actually, if you count viruses as “living” then non-living matter has already been used to reconstruct a virus ( http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1490301 ) -so how long will it be before the first living simple bacteria cell can be reconstructed out of non-living matter?
Very interesting article though! Although why they picked a virus that leads to paralysis and death to replicate (despite the low rate of infection) is a bit goofy...couldn't they have found something that only causes paralysis in tulips!? 🙄
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Originally posted by PBE6…Although why they picked a virus that leads to paralysis and death to replicate (despite the low rate of infection) is a bit goofy...couldn't they have found something that only causes paralysis in tulips!?
Erm...I was asking the question more to hear what KellyJay has to say, especially about who or what has the "power" to create a living being, and what that "power" might be (bet you dollars to doughnuts he will eventually have to say "God" ).
Very interesting article though! Although why they picked a virus that leads to paralysis and death to replicate (de ...[text shortened]... bit goofy...couldn't they have found something that only causes paralysis in tulips!? 🙄
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I think they were recreating the polio virus so that they could later use it to make a better vaccine against it (in case there is another outbreak -perhaps caused by a terrorist?)
-I guess for some inexplicable reason they thought that make a better vaccine against a brutally cruel tulip paralysing virus shouldn’t get priority over a polio vaccine -honestly, some people just have a warped sense of priority that you just cannot understand 😀
Originally posted by NemesioI'll carry on the conversation if you think you can tone down the
Your literacy is stunningly poor.
What reason would an Intelligent Designer have for giving a blind spot to a
whale or dolphin when He could just as easily give a blind spotless eye like an
octopus?
I know this isn't on your radar because you consider 'I don't know' a reason.
I know you think this is pointless because you maintain selective skeptic ...[text shortened]... reasons[/i] for your skepticism, or admit of your hypocritical
hermeneutic.
Nemesio
personal shots. I am not smearing you over your views, I'd ask the
same from you.
Kelly
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Originally posted by PBE6You have given me something to think about, let me answer you when
Is it simply beyond our level of technology and understanding to create a living being out of non-living matter currently, or is it forever out of reach for any mortal being to ever create a living being out of non-living matter, no matter what level of technology and understanding is ever obtained?
I think I can address your points properly.
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJayWe haven't had a conversation. I've asked question X, and you've provided
I'll carry on the conversation if you think you can tone down the
personal shots. I am not smearing you over your views, I'd ask the
same from you.
Kelly
the non-answer to question Y.
You refuse to answer questions. If you think this is a smear of your view, then
all you have to do is answer the question and prove me wrong.
Your answer will start: The reason it's intelligent to give a whale an eye with
a blind spot instead of an eye like an octopus is ...
Nemesio
Originally posted by PBE6We are ultimately made of atoms. Atoms is matter without life. Therefore we are made out of non-living matter.
Is it simply beyond our level of technology and understanding to create a living being out of non-living matter currently, or is it forever out of reach for any mortal being to ever create a living being out of non-living matter, no matter what level of technology and understanding is ever obtained?
We can now put DNA strands together, component after component, thus constructing the essence of life from non-living matter. We cannot, however, yet creating life from scratch. Nothing tells that this is impossible.
Originally posted by FabianFnasHave none of you ever heard of the Socratic method?!? 😛
We are ultimately made of atoms. Atoms is matter without life. Therefore we are made out of non-living matter.
We can now put DNA strands together, component after component, thus constructing the essence of life from non-living matter. We cannot, however, yet creating life from scratch. Nothing tells that this is impossible.
I agree with you completely that we are created out of atoms and nothing more, but KellyJay may or may not think otherwise. Either way, we need him to answer, as this will form the basis for further discussion on whether or not it is possible for a human eye to have arisen without the need for a designer.
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Originally posted by PBE6Do you really think that KellyJay is collaborating in this 'game'? I think not. He is uneducateble, because he repeats what his priest tells, nothing more. He is of complete lack of own thoughts. (He thinks that human beings lived side-by-sides with dinosaurs. Why? Because someone with authority told him so.)
Have none of you ever heard of the Socratic method?!? 😛
I agree with you completely that we are created out of atoms and nothing more, but KellyJay may or may not think otherwise. Either way, we need him to answer, as this will form the basis for further discussion on whether or not it is possible for a human eye to have arisen without the need for a designer.