Originally posted by KellyJayYou are right KJ, I also wouldn't call yourself or all those other theists liars in this instance.
Please, I can more than likely just a go a few weeks into the past
here at this site and show you where people have twisted my words,
and made claims I have said things I have never said. I am saying
that people lie, if you have a field where there are people in a field
it has liars in it, it isn't because they are scientists, lawyers, ID'ers,
athiests ...[text shortened]...
honest it is simply me speaking from my point of view, disagreeing is
not lying.
Kelly
To be a liar, in my opinion, you have to know you are telling an untruth.
Considering the plethora evidence counter to your opinion, delusional is possibly a far more accurate description. You are not alone, 40% of Americans have the same delusion.
Originally posted by telerionAnd where's your link to the nazis? You haven't said anything that has given any evidence that this was hitler's reason for starting the holocaust.
Read your Bible. It's plain that you've only got a hazy second-hand understanding of the Scripture.
Seriously, go back and read about the conquest of Canaan. I understand it's a lot of boring text so to make it easier just go through the book of Deuteronomy. You'll find numerous cases where God tells the Israelites to commit genocide against its nei ...[text shortened]... occasion in particular he even tells them not to let even the animals of their enemies live.
Originally posted by timebombtedInteresting that people that do not agree with your beliefs about the
You are right KJ, I also wouldn't call yourself or all those other theists liars in this instance.
To be a liar, in my opinion, you have to know you are telling an untruth.
Considering the plethora evidence counter to your opinion, delusional is possibly a far more accurate description. You are not alone, 40% of Americans have the same delusion.
past are either liars or delusional, I think that should tell you
something, but I doubt it will.
Kelly
Originally posted by scottishinnzI did respond, your proof is that those they accuse of doing wrong
First, you should respond to the DELIBERATE OUTRIGHT LIES I posted to Whodey that were in the film. The part where people described how they'd been expelled, and yet hadn't.
deny they did? I said I would welcome a law suit to get the story
straight, I do not know who is lying or telling the truth, you think you
do, fine you believe you know the truth about a lot of things.
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJaySo the truth is contingent upon individuals or organisations filing a lawsuit?
I did respond, your proof is that those they accuse of doing wrong
deny they did? I said I would welcome a law suit to get the story
straight, I do not know who is lying or telling the truth, you think you
do, fine you believe you know the truth about a lot of things.
Kelly
You don't see that the people in question were not, in fact, ostracized by the scientific maintstream, but people who largely brought their fates upon themselves?
If you do see that, then is "file a lawsuit" your only comment?
If not, you seem a little naive.
Originally posted by KellyJayThis should get you started;
What did they say about evolution you thought was a lie?
As I pointed out to others here, what they said about what happened
and what the counter arguments were do not mean that they lied
in the movie, it means there are two sides to the topic. You are very
quick to use the word 'lie'. I'd prefer a court case instead of waring
web sites.
Kelly
http://www.expelledexposed.com/index.php/the-truth/evolution
If you get through that, here's something else to cut your teeth on.
http://www.newscientist.com/channel/life/dn13620?DCMP=NLC-nletter&nsref=dn13620
Originally posted by scottishinnzNo, the truth is the truth, just saying something does not make it
So the truth is contingent upon individuals or organisations filing a lawsuit?
You don't see that the people in question were not, in fact, ostracized by the scientific maintstream, but people who largely brought their fates upon themselves?
If you do see that, then is "file a lawsuit" your only comment?
If not, you seem a little naive.
true and law suits typically force out the truth when possible, not
always, but typically. When the matter of did you do this or that is the
subject and there are paper trails, I would think that should make it
a yes or no type of suit. What I see is that people here who disagree
with evolution beliefs are called liars or delusional for saying so, so it
does not strike me as impossible the same is worse where it matters
more as in academia and alike.
Kelly
Originally posted by telerionNo, I just think you have an agenda and I no longer care to be apart
The fact that KJ has not denounced my posts about Christianity shows that he recognizes the truth in them. I think I expose these dark facts in a presentation to my daughter's elementary school. Kids need to know.
of it. The same can just about be said of the entire site to tell you the
truth.
Kelly
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Originally posted by AThousandYoungVery well, in your opinion no one is qualified to see design, so the
Nobody is, Kelly, as far as I know. There's no such qualification.
next time you tell me or someone else there is no evidence for design
remember this statement, it isn't that there isn't evidence you just
don't have a clue, it could be all around you and you'd miss it.
Kelly
Originally posted by telerionDid he use the word inferior? Did you read my points about Hitler? Do you ever post without insulting someone?
Read your Bible. It's plain that you've only got a hazy second-hand understanding of the Scripture.
Seriously, go back and read about the conquest of Canaan. I understand it's a lot of boring text so to make it easier just go through the book of Deuteronomy. You'll find numerous cases where God tells the Israelites to commit genocide against its nei ...[text shortened]... occasion in particular he even tells them not to let even the animals of their enemies live.
Originally posted by KellyJayI do not have an agenda, but I do have a point. Given my intimate familiarity with your beliefs, would you not say that my last few posts have been dishonest? Perhaps even outright lies about Christianity?
No, I just think you have an agenda and I no longer care to be apart
of it. The same can just about be said of the entire site to tell you the
truth.
Kelly
Could I not also claim that they were not lies but rather just showing "two-sides" of the Christianity issue?
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Originally posted by mjolnirYou need to relax. I'm not insulting anyone. I am telling you that you need to read the Bible before calling me out on it. Just a passing hearsay knowledge of the text won't cut it.
Did he use the word inferior? Did you read my points about Hitler? Do you ever post without insulting someone?
Edit: And yes I did read your points about Hitler. I agree with them. Now you would do well to back off a bit and recognize that I am addressing KellyJay and not you.
Originally posted by KellyJayI never said "liars", please re-read the post, why do you continually misquote people...... because otherwise you really have nothing to say right.
Interesting that people that do not agree with your beliefs about the
past are either liars or delusional, I think that should tell you
something, but I doubt it will.
Kelly
Delusional - yes, but only when the evidence is over whelming and then ignored.
What does this tell me about myself?
I am logical
I am capable of assessing evidence
I am capable of making an informed decision
I am capable of adpating my position if new evidence is presented
I don't need myth and legend to explain the world
Instead of coming back with something vague, please explain why holding onto a belief when the evidence against this belief is over whelming, is not delusional?