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    03 Dec '16 09:51
    Originally posted by wildgrass
    Yeah. And fast cars too.
    Marijuana fights fast cars? Or fast cars fight cancer?

    Or are you just implying that of course marijuana does not fight cancer?

    First your reading comprehension and now your ability to clearly express yourself are in question.
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    03 Dec '16 10:3715 edits
    Originally posted by apathist

    Or are you just implying that of course marijuana does not fight cancer?
    please note that while there are some studies that marijuana may help reduce patient suffering in some cases by helpful in treating nausea and vomiting from cancer chemotherapy + reduce neuropathic pain (pain caused by damaged nerves), which are obviously very good things;

    http://www.cancer.org/treatment/treatmentsandsideeffects/physicalsideeffects/chemotherapyeffects/marijuana-and-cancer
    "... While the studies so far have shown that cannabinoids can be safe in treating cancer, they do not show that they help control or cure the disease. ..."

    and there is no evidence of it improving the actual survival rates from cancer; only evidence that it may merely help reduce suffering.in a limited range of cases, which IS a good thing but I don't think I would call that helping to "fight" cancer. Pity.
    + read under "Side effects of cannabinoid drugs" on that link. Again, pity.
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    04 Dec '16 02:09
    Originally posted by humy...

    http://www.cancer.org/treatment/treatmentsandsideeffects/physicalsideeffects/chemotherapyeffects/marijuana-and-cancer
    "... While the studies so far have shown that cannabinoids can be safe in treating cancer, they do not show that they help control or cure the disease. ..."...
    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/09/06/marijuana-fights-cancer-and-helps-manage-side-effects-researchers-find.html
    "Mounting evidence shows ‘cannabinoids’ in marijuana slow cancer growth, inhibit formation of new blood cells that feed a tumor, and help manage pain, fatigue, nausea, and other side effects."

    https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/treatment/cam/hp/cannabis-pdq#link/_26_toc

    The section about
    Laboratory/Animal/Preclinical Studies
    Antitumor Effects

    is interesting.

    Re side effects: so what? All drugs have potential side effects. The ones listed in your link are not very serious as side effects go.
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    04 Dec '16 07:194 edits
    Originally posted by apathist
    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/09/06/marijuana-fights-cancer-and-helps-manage-side-effects-researchers-find.html
    [i]"Mounting evidence shows ‘cannabinoids’ in marijuana slow cancer growth, inhibit formation of new blood cells that feed a tumor, ,.
    unfortunately, for whatever reason unknown to me, this is not translated to improved survival rates in whole humans i.e..for patients. (perhaps because it only slow cancer growth in lab rats? or in human cancer tumors cultured in the laboratory, not in real whole people? Or perhaps the doses needed to have that effect would be unrealistically high for whole humans to take? )
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    04 Dec '16 14:47
    Originally posted by humy
    unfortunately, for whatever reason unknown to me, this is not translated to improved survival rates in whole humans i.e..for patients. (perhaps because it only slow cancer growth in lab rats? or in human cancer tumors cultured in the laboratory, not in real whole people? Or perhaps the doses needed to have that effect would be unrealistically high for whole humans to take? )
    It is hard to get funding for clinical trials since marijuana is illegal. As you point out, it is confirmed that weed helps for some symptoms of cancer and chemotherapy. But the more I look into this subject, the more it seems weed may potentially be a useful tool to fight cancer itself.

    http://www.collective-evolution.com/2013/08/23/20-medical-studies-that-prove-cannabis-can-cure-cancer/

    Evidence that weed can be important help in the fight against brain, breast, lung, prostate, blood, oral, liver and pancreatic cancers.
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    Pesticides stop bees buzzing and releasing pollen, says study

    The world’s most widely used insecticides harm the ability of bees to vibrate flowers and shake out the pollen to fertilise crops, according to preliminary results from a new study.

    Some flowers, such as those of crops like tomatoes and potatoes, must be shaken to release pollen and bumblebees are particularly good at creating the buzz needed to do this. But the research shows that bumblebees exposed to realistic levels of a neonicotinoid pesticide fail to learn how to create the greatest buzz and collect less pollen as a result.

    The research is consistent with previous work that has shown neonicotinoid pesticides reduce learning and memory in bees. A moratorium on the use of three neonicotinoids on flowering crops was put in place in Europe in 2013 and will be reviewed next year.

    In many flowers, bees collect pollen by simply brushing it off the anthers (the part of the stamen that contains the pollen), but other flowers require more work.

    “So bees produce a vibration – or buzz – to shake pollen out of these anthers like a pepper pot,” said Penelope Whitehorn of the University of Stirling in Scotland, who led the study. “The bee lands on a flower, curls her body around the anther and grips the base with her mandibles. She then rapidly contracts the flight muscles to produce the vibration, without beating her wings.”

    The researchers took two colonies of bumblebees in a laboratory setting and split the bees in each into three groups. One control group was not exposed to the neonicotinoid thiamethoxam, but the other two groups were fed solutions containing two parts per billion or 10ppb of the pesticide, doses similar to those found in crop fields.

    After each visit to the buffalo-bur flowers used in the experiment, the bees in the control group learned how to buzz more pollen out of the anthers. But those in the 10ppb group did not improve at all.

    Whitehorn will present the preliminary results at the British Ecological Society’s annual meeting on Tuesday and said they were “striking” and statistically significant, and would be submitted to a scientific journal next year.

    “The implication is the bees take less pollen back to the colonies and the colonies will be less successful, meaning there may be fewer pollinators overall,” she said.

    The study adds to a large body of evidence from lab- and field-based studies that neonicotinoids reduce learning and memory in bees, impair their communication, foraging efficiency and immune systems and, crucially, reduce their reproductive success as well as the pollination services that they can provide, Whitehorn said.

    “These chemicals do have serious implications for wild bee populations in agricultural landscapes but some, notably from the agrochemical industry, still promote their use,” she warned.

    A spokesman for Syngenta, which manufactures thiamethoxam, said: “Crop-measured pollen and nectar residues from thiamethoxam seed-treated oilseed rape is typically less than 3ppb. In all our thiamethoxam seed-treated oilseed rape field studies we have never recorded a pollen or nectar residue as high as 10ppb.”

    There is strong evidence that neonicotinoids harm individual bees but only a little evidence to date that this harms colonies. Bees and other pollinators fertilise about three-quarters of the world’s food crops and have seen widespread declines due to habitat loss, disease and pesticide use.

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/dec/13/pesticides-stop-bees-buzzing-releasing-pollen-neonicotinoid-study
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