Neutrino travels faster than light?...wow

A fundamental pillar of physics – that nothing can go faster than the speed of light – appears to be smashed by an oddball subatomic particle that has apparently made a giant end run around Albert Einstein’s theories.

Scientists at the world’s largest physics lab said Thursday they have clocked neutrinos travelling faster than light. That’s something that according to Einstein’s 1905 special theory of relativity – the famous E (equals) mc2 equation – just doesn’t happen.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/technology/science/scientists-in-shock-after-breaking-speed-of-light/article2176328/

In reading the article its seems there is a lot of doubt, even from those who got the results, so lets not award Einstein the dunce cap just yet.

Also, keep in mind that neutrinos were thought to travel only the speed of light, so this very small increase is very, very small.

This is definitely still in the realms of maybe, possibly,
can someone please tell us what we're doing wrong,
territory.

Also Neutrinos only travel at the speed of light if they are massless.
They are currently thought not to be massless, just extremely light.
However they are being kicked out of a particle accelerator so they
should be moving at something like 99.99999999999% light speed.

If true it works out at something like 7.4km/s over C

((60 * (10^(-9))s) / (730,000m / 299,792,458m/s)) * 299,792,458m/s = 7,387.02887m

or about 0.0025%C

However I wouldn't get excited. It is much more likely to be a systematic error than a result.

If it is a result though it's extremely cool.

However given how many times SR and GR have been tested, the circumstances for which it gets broken have
got to be pretty exotic.

Originally posted by uzless
A fundamental pillar of physics – that nothing can go faster than the speed of light – appears to be smashed by an oddball subatomic particle that has apparently made a giant end run around Albert Einstein’s theories.

Scientists at the world’s largest physics lab said Thursday they have clocked neutrinos travelling faster than light. That’s something that ...[text shortened]... il.com/news/technology/science/scientists-in-shock-after-breaking-speed-of-light/article2176328/

Originally posted by Dasa
Your fundamental pillar of atheistic physics is wrong.

Vedanta has informed us that the mind is swifter than light.

Thought forms have always been faster.

Originally posted by amolv06
Every time you post, I'm going to eat an animal.

Originally posted by Dasa
Your fundamental pillar of atheistic physics is wrong.

Vedanta has informed us that the mind is swifter than light.

Thought forms have always been faster.

Originally posted by googlefudge
If true it works out at something like 7.4km/s over C

((60 * (10^(-9))s) / (730,000m / 299,792,458m/s)) * 299,792,458m/s = 7,387.02887m

or about 0.0025%C

However I wouldn't get excited. It is much more likely to be a systematic error than a result.

If it is a result though it's extremely cool.

However given how many times SR and GR have been tested, the circumstances for which it gets broken have
got to be pretty exotic.

From what I read, the neutrinos traveled over 700 km in 60 nanoseconds with an error of 10 nanoseconds. If we assume the largest error, that's over 700 km in 70 nanoseconds, or over 10 billion meters per second. This is over 30 times the speed of light.

This lends some credibility to the holographic universe model - which many scientists dismiss out of hand because of Einstein's theory of relativity.

When an electron is split into, it has been proven that the 2 resulting quanta travel at exact opposite angles (a bee-line in the opposite direction of one another)... no matter how far apart they are. This means that when one quantum bounces off an obstruction, the other one (again no matter how far apart it is) changes direction instantly to continue it's opposite direction angle away from the other quantum. The gist of all this is, quantum physicists such as Bohm (a student of Einsteins) have concluded that since the 2 quanta communicate with each other instantly (faster than light) then the logical deduction is they are part of a whole rather than separate. That whole, being the whole of the universe, a giant hologram where all things are interconnected.

Anyway all this is shot down by Einstein's theory of relativity - and so I am very intrigued by the possibility that the theory of relativity is being challenged.

You folks that are claiming all this doubt even by the researchers themselves need to read the whole article. The researchers themselves checked, double checked, triple checked their data through and through for months before making the announcement. It's not like it's some flim-flam claim by a bunch of hacks making assumptions. The researchers making the claim are just as astounded and perplexed as the rest of the scientific community.

Originally posted by sumydid
This lends some credibility to the holographic universe model - which many scientists dismiss out of hand because of Einstein's theory of relativity.

When an electron is split into, it has been proven that the 2 resulting quanta travel at exact opposite angles (a bee-line in the opposite direction of one another)... no matter how far apart they are. This king the claim are just as astounded and perplexed as the rest of the scientific community.

Originally posted by sonhouse
454 miles times 5280 =2397120 feet and light travels ~= 1 nanosecond per foot so that is about the number of nanoseconds for the total flight.

So they are saying the neutrino covered that distance in 2,397,060 nanoseconds and that is 1.000025 X the speed of light, not 1.0025 like on poster said.

Originally posted by googlefudge
this made me laugh so hard.

Originally posted by Dasa
Are you laughing or crying?

I have just smashed your fundamental principle of physics.

Light is energy.

Thought forms are in reality energy.

Thought forms have been going faster than light for eternity.

So your fundamental is not so fundamental.

Dumb science.