Origin of Life

Originally posted by dragonstarr369
some believe that rna and dna need the spark of life, so to speak, in order to move and have intelligence. who created that spark?

The RNA molecule is a template and an enzyme, so it can catalyse its own self replication.

Thomas R. Cech, "A model for the RNA-catalyzed replication of RNA" [abstract], p 4360-4363 v 83, Proc. Nat. Acad. Sci., USA, 1986

I believe he won the noble prize for this, although the hypothesis was raised by Francis Crick much earlier.

Originally posted by dragonstarr369
some believe that rna and dna need the spark of life, so to speak, in order to move and have intelligence. who created that spark?

RNA and DNA do not move or have intelligence.

Originally posted by twhitehead
RNA and DNA do not move or have intelligence.

Define 'move'. By that do you mean has legs and walks? They certainly do move amongst themselves, they zipper up and down the DNA chain, I'd call that movement.
Intelligence is a loaded word. RNA and DNA are known to process information, computerlike so there is a certain intelligence inherent to them both.

Originally posted by sonhouse
Define 'move'. By that do you mean has legs and walks? They certainly do move amongst themselves, they zipper up and down the DNA chain, I'd call that movement.
Intelligence is a loaded word. RNA and DNA are known to process information, computerlike so there is a certain intelligence inherent to them both.

I know but I suspect that is not what the poster was referring to.
Note that other chemical reactions show similar behavior without being in life forms, so if that is what the poster meant then the "spark of life" is definitely not a requirement. And therefore searching for a creator for a non-existent spark is rather pointless.

Originally posted by twhitehead
RNA and DNA do not move or have intelligence.

DNA does move, especially polymerase..... albeit in a single direction.

Originally posted by znsho
But, does DNA reproduce itself? It needs enzymes to reproduce.

No it doesn't. Zinc is enough.

Originally posted by serigado
[b]please, don't come up with theological theories.

All life that ever ...[text shortened]...

Jesus did it. And if you don't watch out, he'll do it again. 😉

Originally posted by timebombted
DNA does move, especially polymerase..... albeit in a single direction.

DNA polymerase is not a kind of DNA.

It's an enzyme that polymerizes DNA.

Originally posted by Retrovirus
DNA polymerase is not a kind of DNA.

It's an enzyme that polymerizes DNA.

Apologies, you of course correct, my mistake

Originally posted by thorvo
I suggest all of you going to this link. It has good info on evolution. Please read through a lot of it. Dont close it after realizing it is against evolution. It presents some good arguments. I have looked at a lot of the sites you guys post, so please look at mine. thanks
http://www.biblelife.org/evolution.htm

Your site is a pile of pants.

Thanks for posting the link. I feel your pain

Originally posted by thorvo
I suggest all of you going to this link. It has good info on evolution. Please read through a lot of it. Dont close it after realizing it is against evolution. It presents some good arguments. I have looked at a lot of the sites you guys post, so please look at mine. thanks
http://www.biblelife.org/evolution.htm

I was going to do a point-by-point dismantling of this page but it is so full of strawmen, misunderstandings, contradictions, outright lies and flawed logic that I don't really know where to begin. I'll just pick the ones that I find easiest to disprove.

Wing stubs? what model suggests that birds wings evolved from stubs?

Point number 5 seems to be talking about the Lamarkian theory rather than the Darwinian one, and why does it single out human eggs and sperm?

Point 6 states categorically that gene mutations are impossible because they are found and corrected and then talks about diseases that are caused by gene mutations! Also, the 'fact' that genes cannot change must come as a huge surprise to the people trying to develop vaccines for the new flu varieties each year. Hospitals are obviously imagining their problems with antibiotic-resistant 'super-bugs'.

The second law of thermodynamics! How many times? IN A CLOSED SYSTEM! THE EARTH IS NOT A CLOSED SYSTEM!

"When your dog is going to have a litter, don't worry that she will have a litter of monkeys or cats. She will always have a litter of puppies." Too right, if she did, that would prove evolution wrong!

Where matter and energy come from has no bearing whatsoever on Evolution. The cosmologists are working on that problem, take it up with Stephen Hawking.

Lack of life on Mars only shows that Abiogenesis is not ubiquitous. Abiogenesis may even be so amazingly unlikely that it's only ever happened once in the entire universe. But that again has no bearing on evolution. Ditto for radio silence from space and the statistics argument.

I'm feeling slightly sick now, can we get back to discussing science?

--- Penguin

Originally posted by dragonstarr369
some believe that rna and dna need the spark of life, so to speak, in order to move and have intelligence. who created that spark?

I believe this should read;

"Some people with no training or specialist knowledge in the subject who have a religious reason for trying to destroy the subject believe that RNA and DNA needed the spark of life, so to speak, in order to develop into life. Who created that spark?"

Of course, the question there at the end presumes that some being was required to do it.