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Originally posted by RJHindsIf it doesn't explain nothing then that doesn't mean it doesn't explain something.
The Big Bang Theory don't explain nutin.
The Idiot
Originally posted by humyNo noise?
That's like asking "what exploded before I blew air into a party balloon?" -It wasn't an explosion. Space itself expanded and with no combustion or noise.
Originally posted by wolfgang59
No noise?
Ergo there was no big bang.
(You played straight into Ron's trap)
And if no big bang then no evilution.
Therefore god exists.
Halley-Loo-Yah!!! Praise-Pure-Logic!!!
No noise?
Ergo there was no big bang.
And if no big bang then no evolution. (spelling corrected)
Therefore god exists.
Originally posted by bikingviking
Guys. You are all missing my point.
[b]About Evolution.
(Wish I could back this up with links. Perhaps someone can do that?)
"Still alive today criteria"
Regarding evolution then there are a scientific criteria about successfulness. Criteria for "successful" evolution is defined like "all species that that have survived until todays date ...[text shortened]... t NEW THREAD for this subject.[/b] Called "Fitting [0]x[0]x[0] space, into the Big Bang theory".[/b]
…. scientific criteria about successfulness. ….
Species like Cheetah, in which the evolution is going in the wrong direction
"still alive". I.e. a successful species according to evolution.
No time existed before BB. Then "started" the BB argument becomes meaningless.
Originally posted by humyThen that "successfulness" is called something else. I assure you. This criteria exist. Then comes also that in Biology we have less rigorous definitions than in i.e. Physics.......there is no such generally scientifically accepted criteria. You are free to define “successfulness” however you want but it isn't a scientific concept. ......
Originally posted by bikingviking
Then that "successfulness" is called something else. I assure you. This criteria exist. Then comes also that in Biology we have less rigorous definitions than in i.e. Physics.
Almost no criteria in Biology is "generally accepted". Take the definition of a "speice" for example. There are something like 60 (round number) criterias for how to define wh ...[text shortened]... k about evolution in mammals. Can we continue? Please. It is not part of the main discussion. 🙂
Then that "successfulness" is called something else. I assure you. This criteria exist.
Originally posted by humyI say that you are wrong. You may be very sure that you are right. But you are not. I have this from a discussion with a professor in Biology. He's area was Zology and he had devoted his lifetime to it. I have a a hard time beleving that this man is wrong. He knows his area. Perhaps he simplified a little to make it more understandable. (I can look up his name if you want to, then you can ask him by email). He said (quoting from memory, i.e. not quoting): We can study animals and compare them. Some animal species do not survive. (For various reasons). Natural selection will result in that some species die out. Then We can measure the success of different species. If ...[hi said that he did not use scientific terms]... we study this we will conclude that all animal species surviving to due date, are equally successful.Then that "successfulness" is called something else. I assure you. This criteria exist.
Sorry, it doesn't exist, at least not in evolutionary biology terminology. ......... ...of a species dies out, that is not defined as "evolution", that is defined just as "extinction"!
If all of a species dies out, that is not defined as "evolution", that is defined just as "extinction"!
Originally posted by humyBy "successfulness" I think he means the evilution idea of survival of the fittest. Any natural selection that allows successful survival could be termed "successfulness" instead of survival of the fittest.Then that "successfulness" is called something else. I assure you. This criteria exist.
Sorry, it doesn't exist, at least not in evolutionary biology terminology. Don't know where you got that from! If you don't believe me, just try and look it up over the net and see what other name science calls "successfulness" (in respect to evolution ...[text shortened]... of a species dies out, that is not defined as "evolution", that is defined just as "extinction"!
Originally posted by bikingviking
I say that you are wrong. You may be very sure that you are right. But you are not. I have this from a discussion with a professor in Biology. He's area was Zology and he had devoted his lifetime to it. I have a a hard time beleving that this man is wrong. He knows his area. Perhaps he simplified a little to make it more understandable. (I can look up h ...[text shortened]... besides, it makes you look bad. So don't be sarcastic here, otherwise you are a dick. 🙂 please?
Natural selection will result in that some species die out.
No reason to be sarcastic.
Originally posted by humyAppologize noted. I am not a creationist, not at all (no one has said so either).
Natural selection will result in that some species die out.
Yes but that is not what defines evolution. Evolution can both be defined (the theory ) and would work.......
""""""ATP synthase is present in all living organisms and is located in the membranes of mitochondria, bacteria, and chloroplast thylakoids as well as on the surfaces of various cell types, including endothelial cells (269, 270), keratinocytes (58), and adipocytes (206).
""""""ATP synthase is an exceptionally complicated protein complex. It is divided into two sectors, a soluble globular F1 catalytic sector and a membrane-bound F0 proton-translocating sector (Fig. 1) (304, 305).
""""""Even the simplest form of ATP synthase, found in nonphotosynthetic eubacteria, contains eight different subunit types, while the chloroplast and photosynthetic bacterial ATP synthase each consists of nine different subunit types (42, 331).
""""""The ATP synthase from mitochondria is much more complicated and, excluding regulators, is reported to date to consist of 15 and 17 different subunit types in animals and yeasts (or fungi), respectively (305, 413).
IN SHORT - ATP synthase is present in all living organisms - it gives them energy.