16 Apr 18
From the link below:
"The substance used on Sergei Skripal was an agent called BZ, according to Swiss state Spiez lab, the Russian foreign minister said. The toxin was never produced in Russia, but was in service in the US, UK, and other NATO states."
https://www.rt.com/news/424149-skripal-poisoning-bz-lavrov/
Truth or Russian lies?
16 Apr 18
Originally posted by @kazetnagorraI don't necessarily. That is why I created this thread. The Russians claim it was the Swiss that concluded that. Are they lying?
Why would you expect to find "truth" from a Kremlin-run website concerning matters related to Russia?
I thought I was posting on the debates forum, not the science forum. I goofed.
16 Apr 18
Originally posted by @metal-brainThis is what the Swiss Lab is saying:
I don't necessarily. That is why I created this thread. The Russians claim it was the Swiss that concluded that. Are they lying?
I thought I was posting on the debates forum, not the science forum. I goofed.
https://twitter.com/SpiezLab/status/985243574123057152
16 Apr 18
Originally posted by @metal-brainIn this case, yes, they are lying, but why would you even waste time seriously considering statements coming from obviously untrustworthy sources?
I don't necessarily. That is why I created this thread. The Russians claim it was the Swiss that concluded that. Are they lying?
I thought I was posting on the debates forum, not the science forum. I goofed.
16 Apr 18
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Originally posted by @metal-brainI get it, you are seeking chaos, by putting something up here you have to know is BS, you just want to create more BS. You really think Russia and the Swiss are equal in the lies department? You can't do a bit of logic analysis and see who would benefit more from lying?
I don't necessarily. That is why I created this thread. The Russians claim it was the Swiss that concluded that. Are they lying?
I thought I was posting on the debates forum, not the science forum. I goofed.
16 Apr 18
Originally posted by @deepthoughtSpietz lab is just referring to Porton Down. Porton Down is a British Lab.
This is what the Swiss Lab is saying:
https://twitter.com/SpiezLab/status/985243574123057152
Did Spietz lab do any testing at all?
16 Apr 18
Originally posted by @sonhouseYou must have confused me with someone who already made up his mind. I asked a question. Questions are not statements.
I get it, you are seeking chaos, by putting something up here you have to know is BS, you just want to create more BS. You really think Russia and the Swiss are equal in the lies department? You can't do a bit of logic analysis and see who would benefit more from lying?
I get it. If you accuse me of forming a conclusion when I have not enough times some morons will actually believe your false implications. Are you still sore that climate models are unreliable? Don't kill the messenger. I just report that facts.
18 Apr 18
Originally posted by @metal-brainDo you remember your high school teacher(s), perhaps in an attempt to encourage students to ask questions, repeating the oft-quoted mantra that there is no such thing as a stupid question?
You must have confused me with someone who already made up his mind. I asked a question. Questions are not statements.
I get it. If you accuse me of forming a conclusion when I have not enough times some morons will actually believe your false implications. Are you still sore that climate models are unreliable? Don't kill the messenger. I just report that facts.
They were wrong.
18 Apr 18
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Originally posted by @sonhouseAgain, why would you think the Swiss would be lying? It seems to me a no brainer that Russia is in fact behind the poisoning. I don't know if you follow world news but another critic of Putin just was found dead 'accidentally' falling off the balcony of a building.
I get it, you are seeking chaos, by putting something up here you have to know is BS, you just want to create more BS. You really think Russia and the Swiss are equal in the lies department? You can't do a bit of logic analysis and see who would benefit more from lying?
Are you in line with Trumpf about all this, like when the US ambassador to the US told the world there would be more sanctions against Russia, only for Trump to say there were to be no sanctions the very next day, as if they were setting up the ambassador for failure.
I assume you are buddy with Trump. If I am wrong about you supporting trumpf I apologize in advance.
18 Apr 18
Originally posted by @sonhouseWhere in the world would you get the impression that I claimed the Swiss were lying? I never stated that. Once again you are making a false claim. It really does bother you that climate models are unreliable and you are so frustrated that you are willing to falsely claim I said things I did not. Why are you resorting to such dishonesty?
Again, why would you think the Swiss would be lying? It seems to me a no brainer that Russia is in fact behind the poisoning. I don't know if you follow world news but another critic of Putin just was found dead 'accidentally' falling off the balcony of a building.
Are you in line with Trumpf about all this, like when the US ambassador to the US told the ...[text shortened]... sume you are buddy with Trump. If I am wrong about you supporting trumpf I apologize in advance.
19 Apr 18
The post that was quoted here has been removedThere are some people who consider faux news as reliable but anyone with an IQ higher than room temperature knows they are Trumps support group. For instance, the latest finding was Trump's lawyer, Michael Cohen, one of his three(!) clients was Sean Hannity, Fox news talking head, chief Trump mouthpiece:
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/16/business/media/sean-hannity-michael-cohen-client.html
Fox news is nothing but a propaganda machine for the republican party and especially, Trump.
I go to CNN, NPR, BBC, Radio Netherlands, and the like for my news. Maybe not the best and if you have better sources, I would like a link.
The only time I go to fox news is to find out what they are saying, what they are lying about.
19 Apr 18
Originally posted by @sonhouse"For instance, the latest finding was Trump's lawyer, Michael Cohen, one of his three(!) clients was Sean Hannity, Fox news talking head, chief Trump mouthpiece:"
There are some people who consider faux news as reliable but anyone with an IQ higher than room temperature knows they are Trumps support group. For instance, the latest finding was Trump's lawyer, Michael Cohen, one of his three(!) clients was Sean Hannity, Fox news talking head, chief Trump mouthpiece:
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/16/business/media ...[text shortened]...
The only time I go to fox news is to find out what they are saying, what they are lying about.
Sean Hannity was not his client. It is ironic that your attempt to show Fox News lies results in you repeating a lie from another source. It doesn't take a high IQ to know asking a lawyer questions about law does not make Hannity a client.