Short of a Vax, how does covid end?

@athousandyoung said
People keep spreading the flu. Also it can infect animals.

Same with SARS. Dogs can get it.

@athousandyoung said
Influenza has a genetic reassortment mechanism that makes it particularly resilient.

SARS2 is particularly resilient. Can you show the flu is unique in that way? What is your source of information?

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@metal-brain said
SARS2 is particularly resilient. Can you show the flu is unique in that way? What is your source of information?

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25048543/

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fimmu.2020.552909/full

@Metal-Brain
And not much of an ENGLISH reader either. What he said was quite clear to those who are not trolls.

Trolls like YOU.

@eladar said
It is just like any other virus.

Covid can only go away once enough people have gotten the virus and developed immunity.

Only other option is to be able to quarantine your population and try to snuff it out with lock downs and contact tracing and such.

Of course with the US there is no way to quarantine the population, illegals can enter the country at will.


If t ...[text shortened]... S to be done with Covid is enough people getting sick, slowing the spread simply prolongs the virus.

@Eladar

That's not how viral transmission works. Smallpox killed hundreds of millions of people and lasted centuries. Polio ravaged humankind for hundreds (if not thousands) of years. It didn't just go away after natural development of immunity. Is there a single example of a virus you are aware of that magically disappeared after everyone contracted it?

@wildgrass said
@Eladar

That's not how viral transmission works. Smallpox killed hundreds of millions of people and lasted centuries. Polio ravaged humankind for hundreds (if not thousands) of years. It didn't just go away after natural development of immunity. Is there a single example of a virus you are aware of that magically disappeared after everyone contracted it?

magically disappeared? Well, that is a high bar to reach. Nobody can prove that, but pandemics do end. The 1918 Spanish Flu pandemic ended. That is not to say it did not evolve into something else, but it is not killing 5% of the population anymore, is it?

Define "end". Define "go away".

@metal-brain said

Define "end". Define "go away".

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@humy said
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The 1918 Spanish Flu pandemic ended.

@Metal-Brain
Sure, with near 700 THOUSAND dead and we are headed that way too. Right now, over a quarter million dead and so much for Eladar's poo pooing the prediction of 260,000 dead. We will be there before the new week is out.

But of course, being a card carrying troll, It doesn't matter how many die because people die all the time and you don't even look at the idea those deaths didn't have to happen.

Most of those deaths are 100% on the hands of Trump.

He KNEW in January C19 was deadly AND airborne and chose to do NOTHING and you HAVE to know that.

AND even worse, instead of a national program to coordinate the responses and manufacture of PPE, he pitted states against states in a bidding war AND used FEMA to illegally STEAL PPE from that already purchased by states.

So that is your god king, BESIDES being a total loser.

@sonhouse said
@Metal-Brain
Sure, with near 700 THOUSAND dead and we are headed that way too. Right now, over a quarter million dead and so much for Eladar's poo pooing the prediction of 260,000 dead. We will be there before the new week is out.

But of course, being a card carrying troll, It doesn't matter how many die because people die all the time and you don't even look at the idea ...[text shortened]... PPE from that already purchased by states.

So that is your god king, BESIDES being a total loser.

Less than the 1918 Spanish Flu pandemic.

People die. If you want to save lives push for reducing the speed limit. What? You don't want to save lives if you have to drive slower?

Reagan signed a bill to increase the speed limit that everyone knew would increase deaths. Most of those deaths are 100% on the hands of Reagan and congress. They don't care about the lives of motorists, but they care about people who are too careless to avoid getting the SARS2 virus and dying.

How about that? They care about certain lives but not others. How do you rationalize that?

@metal-brain said
magically disappeared? Well, that is a high bar to reach. Nobody can prove that, but pandemics do end. The 1918 Spanish Flu pandemic ended. That is not to say it did not evolve into something else, but it is not killing 5% of the population anymore, is it?

Define "end". Define "go away".

You'll have to ask Eladar from the OP about definitions, but obviously there is a distinction between a 'virus' and a 'pandemic'. I was responding to the post about how to get Covid to go away, and that slowing the spread only "prolongs" it (whatever that means). Hygiene, behavioral changes, and vaccines are the general strategies to controlling outbreaks and eradicating them. Viruses don't magically go away after a population infects itself and develops immunity. They just don't (there's an entire scientific discipline studying this). Polio, smallpox and Spanish flu are all good examples.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmp0904819

"A useful way to think about influenza A events of the past 91 years is to recognize that we are living in a pandemic era that began around 1918. At that time, a presumably new founding virus, containing a novel set of eight influenza genes and probably derived from an unidentified avian-like precursor virus, became adapted to mammals... and has drawn on a bag of evolutionary tricks to survive in one form or another... The 2009 H1N1 pandemic virus represents yet another genetic product in the still-growing family tree of this remarkable 1918 virus."

@metal-brain said
Less than the 1918 Spanish Flu pandemic.

People die. If you want to save lives push for reducing the speed limit. What? You don't want to save lives if you have to drive slower?

Reagan signed a bill to increase the speed limit that everyone knew would increase deaths. Most of those deaths are 100% on the hands of Reagan and congress. They don't care about the lives ...[text shortened]... dying.

How about that? They care about certain lives but not others. How do you rationalize that?

People die. If you want to save lives push for reducing the speed limit. What? You don't want to save lives if you have to drive slower?

We already have speed limits, and people still die. Extending your logic to the 'anti-mask truther' crowd, we might as well eliminate speed limits and all other traffic laws altogether since they don't work.

@wildgrass said

People die. If you want to save lives push for reducing the speed limit. What? You don't want to save lives if you have to drive slower?

We already have speed limits, and people still die. Extending your logic to the 'anti-mask truther' crowd, we might as well eliminate speed limits and all other traffic laws altogether since they don't work.

it is as if he just cannot handle the concept of doing something that doesn't eliminate risk but is still worth doing because it still reduces the risk so to on average reduce the death toll as opposed to eliminating the death toll. It is as if he cannot accept that, even if you cannot stop all deaths, stopping some of them is still worth doing.
With his same 'logic', he should insist there be no life boats or life jackets on any ship and nobody should ever put a life jacket on, even when you know the ship you are on is sinking and you could drown as a result of not putting a life jacket on, because there are plenty of past examples of life boats and life jackets failing to save lives in a sinking ship. Sadly, and as I have seen all over the internet, he is far from the only one with that kind of idiotic 'logic'.