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Originally posted by PBE6Nope!
If lions and gazelles both have inalienable rights, does the lion have the right to feed on the gazelle?
Just as we cannot eat each other.
Originally posted by AThousandYoungBut if both the lion and the gazelle have the right to life, and the lion's right to life can only be satisfied by feeding on the gazelle (or zebra, or whatever other critter lions enjoy eating), which right to life triumphs? Is the lion wrong for killing the gazelle to stay alive? If all lions kill gazelles all their lives just to stay alive, are they just a bunch of jerks?
Nope!
Just as we cannot eat each other.
Originally posted by PBE6Well of course lions can eat rabbits or hyenas or something instead. In any case nobody said lions were people, or that all animals were people, or even all mammals.
But if both the lion and the gazelle have the right to life, and the lion's right to life can only be satisfied by feeding on the gazelle (or zebra, or whatever other critter lions enjoy eating), which right to life triumphs? Is the lion wrong for killing the gazelle to stay alive? If all lions kill gazelles all their lives just to stay alive, are they just a bunch of jerks?
Originally posted by PBE6But if both the lion and the gazelle have the right to life, and the lion's right to life can only be satisfied by feeding on the gazelle (or zebra, or whatever other critter lions enjoy eating)
But if both the lion and the gazelle have the right to life, and the lion's right to life can only be satisfied by feeding on the gazelle (or zebra, or whatever other critter lions enjoy eating), which right to life triumphs? Is the lion wrong for killing the gazelle to stay alive? If all lions kill gazelles all their lives just to stay alive, are they just a bunch of jerks?
Originally posted by Bosse de NageShouldn't we be limiting the discussion to intelligent forward looking animals?
The answer is obvious, Comrade Stalin.
Originally posted by sonhouseWhy is intelligence even a factor? Is profound mental retardation a reason to remove rights from humans? How many animals can perform cognitive functions that these people cannot?
Shouldn't we be limiting the discussion to intelligent forward looking animals?
Lions and their prey have been around for a million years and have both have survived into our time without help but their habitat has been mostly destroyed by humans and the same with dolphins. Isn't there some attachment between dolphins and humans that goes beyond other anim ...[text shortened]... und intelligent beings there, wouldn't it be reprehensible to start hunting and eating them?
Originally posted by PalynkaHow many animals can perform cognitive functions that these people cannot?
Why is intelligence even a factor? Is profound mental retardation a reason to remove rights from humans? How many animals can perform cognitive functions that these people cannot?
Pigs are also quite intelligent, yet we kill them massively.
Originally posted by PBE6The nature of the conflict is that Japanese fisherman prey on dolphins, and do so in a particularly cruel and painful fashion. This, some say, violates dolphins' Rights.
I was just goofing around with the lion thing, although I think ATY made some interesting points, especially about the Liberty right vs. Welfare right (Claim right?) thing, I had never encountered that terminology before. My main point (whenever I was going to get to it) was that rights only come up when there's conflict between two entities, and I think the n ...[text shortened]... the conflict between dolphins and humans? Do dolphins understand the concept of "rights"?
Originally posted by PBE6Oh, you're right about the Right. The correct term is Claim Rights, not Welfare Rights.
I was just goofing around with the lion thing, although I think ATY made some interesting points, especially about the Liberty right vs. Welfare right (Claim right?) thing, I had never encountered that terminology before. My main point (whenever I was going to get to it) was that rights only come up when there's conflict between two entities, and I think the n the conflict between dolphins and humans? Do dolphins understand the concept of "rights"?