Originally posted by dryhump
Science is also misused by the rational and intelligent people. I refer you again to eugenics. The truth is, people are inherently irrational beings. You think I'm arguing against science and that's not correct in the least. I am arguing against people who think that only delusional religious nuts cause wars. Or that only irrational people cause wars. ...[text shortened]... or ethical judgement is way more dangerous than if a kid believes the earth is 6000 years old.
Science is also misused by the rational and intelligent people. I refer you again to eugenics.
are you referring here by the word “eugenics” to the Nazis and their policy of using science and technology to preform mass murder of the so-called “inferior” races?
If no, exactly what do you mean by “eugenics” here because I have noted that on several occasions on these forums in the past that word was used to include such GOOD things as, for example, gene theory to cure horrible diseases and I would not say
that is evil!
But, if yes, then what you say above appears to be a contradiction because the absurd and unscientific belief that some races are inferior to others because of skin-colour etc is certainly NOT rational! How on earth can a so-called “rational” person have such an
extremely irrational belief!? Unless you are saying here that it IS rational to have such a belief!?
The truth is, people are inherently irrational beings.
How do you know this? Doesn't it just depend on which person? Some people certainly seem extremely rational and some clearly are not.
You think I'm arguing against science and that's not correct in the least. I am arguing against people who think that only delusional religious nuts cause wars.
Noted. So would you deny the historical fact that the vast majority of wars in the past were started by theists, NOT atheists?
Or that only irrational people cause wars.
virtually all wars in the past WERE cause by people with at least one irrational belief that arguably contributed to them starting the war! For most wars, those irrational beliefs included religion. WW2 is a classic example of that because it is a historical fact that all the leading Nazis, including Hitler, in WW2 were Christian and that they blamed the Jews for just about everything for, wait for it, religious reasons! (the Jews betrayed Christ in the Bible ) And they had the absurd belief that evolution was “guided by God” to create them, the superior race, which has the 'God-given' right to rule over all other races.
but to pretend that we can have science unfettered from moral or ethical judgement
With the meaning I personally normally attach to the word 'science', Science is not what people
do with science but rather knowledge gained by scientific method (although I understand perfectly that it often also means the methods used to gain scientific knowledge ) . That knowledge gained by scientific method is just that, knowledge. And mere knowledge, excluding 'moral knowledge' which is not ever part of real science because it cannot be, cannot have "moral or ethical judgement" because 'knowledge' is not a person!, -don't you see! for example, the scientific knowledge that there are moons around Saturn cannot have "moral or ethical judgement" because any moral or ethical judgement would be in the minds of people and would not equate with their knowledge that Saturn has moons. It is
people, not science, that must not be " unfettered from moral or ethical judgement", whether they are using science or not.
Didn't I just CLEARLY imply that science can be misused by irrational people?