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25 Aug 11
Originally posted by jaywillhttp://www.redhotpawn.com/board/showthread.php?threadid=141510&page=3
What is this thing I hear called [b]Intelligent Design ? What is that all about ?[/b]
Originally posted by jaywill
Watch me go over to the Science Forum and mention ID ?
Come on over and see what kind of reaction I get.
Better yet, why don't you do it? I mean since there is a clear distinction between ID and Theism which no science minded young person would ever confuse (Perish the thought).
Intelligent design posits a designer.
This designer is usually supposed to be god (or other insert your favourite deity here).
Indeed many of the ID proponents are Christians who are trying to get creationism into
the classroom by trying to dress it up as science and only talk about a 'designer' without
talking about who that 'designer' is. (and thus try to get around that pesky separation of
church and state)
Seldom is this designer posited to be an advanced alien race going about the galaxy seeding
it with life. Partly because the next response would be, 'right so where do they come from?'
Also given that ID proposes a designer from the outset, and then tries (and fails) to prove it,
rather than following the scientific methodology, it can't be classed as science (with court case
to 'prove' it).
It is clearly a religious idea.
This doesn't mean ID=Theism, ID is not a religion in of itself.
25 Aug 11
Originally posted by googlefudgeYou tipped em off didn't you ?
http://www.redhotpawn.com/board/showthread.php?threadid=141510&page=3
Originally posted by jaywill
[b]Watch me go over to the Science Forum and mention ID ?
Come on over and see what kind of reaction I get.
Better yet, why don't you do it? I mean since there is a clear distinction between ID and Theism which no science minded young person ...[text shortened]... a religious idea.
This doesn't mean ID=Theism, ID is not a religion in of itself.
You gave them a heads up. Would have been interesting if you had not.
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Originally posted by SoothfastI would say there is no evidence that any such entity exists and thus doesn't come from anywhere...
Right, so where did God come from?
apart from people imaginations of course.
But yes you are right, you can ask that question of any designer posited by ID.
But by invoking god, you are bringing in the cherished you can't ask questions of god, he's god
defence.
Whereas aliens presumably have a beginning just like us which would have to be explained.
Possibly producing a variant of the world turtle and having aliens all the way down.
Which doesn't really work.
This means that ID completely and utterly fails with anything other than a supernatural designer,
often known as god.
With god it just fails the regular amount.
25 Aug 11
Originally posted by SoothfastHey, we know that no God could have intelligently designed anything in nature because ... WELL because that would violate the separation of church and state !
It's a misnomer. Should be called [b]Retarded Design.
Is that the response you're shopping for in the science forum?[/b]