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    What is this thing I hear called Intelligent Design ? What is that all about ?
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    Originally posted by jaywill
    What is this thing I hear called [b]Intelligent Design ? What is that all about ?[/b]
    http://www.redhotpawn.com/board/showthread.php?threadid=141510&page=3

    Originally posted by jaywill
    Watch me go over to the Science Forum and mention ID ?

    Come on over and see what kind of reaction I get.
    Better yet, why don't you do it? I mean since there is a clear distinction between ID and Theism which no science minded young person would ever confuse (Perish the thought).



    Intelligent design posits a designer.
    This designer is usually supposed to be god (or other insert your favourite deity here).
    Indeed many of the ID proponents are Christians who are trying to get creationism into
    the classroom by trying to dress it up as science and only talk about a 'designer' without
    talking about who that 'designer' is. (and thus try to get around that pesky separation of
    church and state)

    Seldom is this designer posited to be an advanced alien race going about the galaxy seeding
    it with life. Partly because the next response would be, 'right so where do they come from?'

    Also given that ID proposes a designer from the outset, and then tries (and fails) to prove it,
    rather than following the scientific methodology, it can't be classed as science (with court case
    to 'prove' it).

    It is clearly a religious idea.

    This doesn't mean ID=Theism, ID is not a religion in of itself.
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    25 Aug '11 16:01
    Originally posted by googlefudge
    http://www.redhotpawn.com/board/showthread.php?threadid=141510&page=3

    Originally posted by jaywill
    [b]Watch me go over to the Science Forum and mention ID ?

    Come on over and see what kind of reaction I get.
    Better yet, why don't you do it? I mean since there is a clear distinction between ID and Theism which no science minded young person ...[text shortened]... a religious idea.

    This doesn't mean ID=Theism, ID is not a religion in of itself.
    You tipped em off didn't you ?

    You gave them a heads up. Would have been interesting if you had not.
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    25 Aug '11 16:02
    Intelligent Design is a term coined by creationists pretending not to be creationists.
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    25 Aug '11 16:02
    Not really.
    I don't accept your premise.
    plus, I am one of 'them', I was already tipped off.
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    25 Aug '11 16:38
    Originally posted by googlefudge
    Seldom is this designer posited to be an advanced alien race going about the galaxy seeding
    it with life. Partly because the next response would be, 'right so where do they come from?'
    Right, so where did God come from?
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    25 Aug '11 16:49
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    Intelligent Design is a term coined by creationists pretending not to be creationists.
    Exactly. Desperately trying to cling to science's respectability without actually caring about what science has to say about the issue.
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    25 Aug '11 17:36
    Originally posted by Soothfast
    Right, so where did God come from?
    I would say there is no evidence that any such entity exists and thus doesn't come from anywhere...
    apart from people imaginations of course.

    But yes you are right, you can ask that question of any designer posited by ID.
    But by invoking god, you are bringing in the cherished you can't ask questions of god, he's god
    defence.
    Whereas aliens presumably have a beginning just like us which would have to be explained.
    Possibly producing a variant of the world turtle and having aliens all the way down.
    Which doesn't really work.

    This means that ID completely and utterly fails with anything other than a supernatural designer,
    often known as god.

    With god it just fails the regular amount.
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    25 Aug '11 18:40
    Originally posted by jaywill
    What is this thing I hear called [b]Intelligent Design ? What is that all about ?[/b]
    Like you don't already know.....
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    25 Aug '11 20:15
    Originally posted by jaywill
    What is this thing I hear called Intelligent Design ? What is that all about ?
    It's a misnomer. Should be called Retarded Design.

    Is that the response you're shopping for in the science forum?
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    Then would you all agree that ID is virtually Theism ?

    How many would put it that way ?
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    25 Aug '11 21:50
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    Intelligent Design is a term coined by creationists pretending not to be creationists.
    Would you say then that Intelligent Design is simply Theism ?
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    25 Aug '11 21:53
    Originally posted by Soothfast
    It's a misnomer. Should be called [b]Retarded Design.

    Is that the response you're shopping for in the science forum?[/b]
    Hey, we know that no God could have intelligently designed anything in nature because ... WELL because that would violate the separation of church and state !
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    25 Aug '11 22:211 edit
    Design is everywhere.

    You cannot avoid it if you tried.

    Only dishonest persons will not see it.

    The problem with Christian creationism is they make everything up and therefore come across as fools.
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    26 Aug '11 01:21
    Originally posted by Dasa
    Design is everywhere.

    You cannot avoid it if you tried.

    Only dishonest persons will not see it.

    The problem with Christian creationism is they make everything up and therefore come across as fools.
    The way I see it you have only one way out...
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