where did the universe come from?

Originally posted by Andrew Hamilton
[b]…A billionth of a second is time, if the Bang had not happened YET, . .…

If we agree to define the singularity as the first part of the big bang, then
the big bang HAD already started then. The start of the singularity would be defined as the start of the big bang.

…You seem to be going back and forth on the singularity again,
..… ...[text shortened]... cisely my point in the first place and what I have been saying all along -so what is your point?

Originally posted by KellyJay
We are currently in the singularity now, it was always in the current
state it is in now?
Kelly

Originally posted by Andrew Hamilton
no.

so your point is?...."

Originally posted by KellyJay
I asked you once already if we were in the singularity right now, you
said, "No" and now it seems you want to take that back, and claim
we are back in singularity again by saying that the singularity and
the Big Bang are once again one and the same thing. It either is or
it is not, it is like you are saying a stick of dynamite is part of an
explosion and not something else in its own right.
Kelly[/b]

…I asked you once already if we were in the singularity right now, you
said, "No" and now it seems you want to take that back,…

Err…nope.

…and claim we are back in singularity again by saying that the singularity and
the Big Bang are once again one and the same thing.
..…

When did I ever say or imply that “the singularity and the Big Bang are one and the same thing”? -obviously they are not.

Originally posted by KellyJay
[b]Originally posted by KellyJay
We are currently in the singularity now, it was always in the current
state it is in now?
Kelly

Originally posted by Andrew Hamilton
no.

so your point is?...."[/b]

why do you repeat my post?

Originally posted by Andrew Hamilton
why do you repeat my post?

You asked me when you said something I'm posting it for you.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
You asked me when you said something I'm posting it for you.
Kelly

…You asked me when you said something…

Yes; that question of mine was:

“…when did I say or imply that the singularity was not part of the big bang?
-which post or comment of mine are you referring to? …“

…I'm posting it for you...…

What you posted was:

Originally posted by KellyJay
We are currently in the singularity now, it was always in the current
state it is in now?
Kelly

Originally posted by Andrew Hamilton
no.

so your point is?...."

Note that I said the word “no” above and NOT “yes”!; so I am NOT implying or saying here that the singularity was not part of the big bang -so the singularity WAS part of the big bang -specifically, just the very first brief part.

I have made it clear that we are NOT “currently in the singularity now” (I don’t know where you got that from) and it is NOT the case that “it (the universe) was always in the current state it is in now” (I also don’t know where you got that from either).

I have never said nor implied that the singularity was not part of the big bang.

Originally posted by Andrew Hamilton
[b]…You asked me when you said something…

Yes; that question of mine was:

“…when did I say or imply that the singularity was not part of the big bang?
-which post or comment of mine are you referring to? …“

…I'm posting it for you...…

What you posted was:

Originally posted by KellyJay
We are currently in the singula m either).

I have never said nor implied that the singularity was not part of the big bang.

[/b]So then again you are changing your tune.
If the occurance of the Big Bang caused the singularity to go away
we are no longer in the singularity!
If the singularity went away due to the Big Bang and it was real that
means that one point as you have admitted, the singularity was here
before the Big Bang. That means there was time before the Big Bang.
The amonut of time is very important, and how much you said was
something along the lines of a billionth of a second. During that time
be a billionth of a second or a billion years, changes had to occur to
the singularity which caused it to move from one state to another. That
either was within the singularity or caused by outside forces. If it were
inside the singularity how, why, what, and for how long becomes
questions I'd like to cover.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
So then again you are changing your tune.
If the occurance of the Big Bang caused the singularity to go away
we are no longer in the singularity!
If the singularity went away due to the Big Bang and it was real that
means that one point as you have admitted, the singularity was here
before the Big Bang. That means there was time before the Big Bang ...[text shortened]... e the singularity how, why, what, and for how long becomes
questions I'd like to cover.
Kelly[/b]

…So then again you are changing your tune. . …

No.

…If the occurrence of the Big Bang caused the singularity to go away
we are no longer in the singularity! ...…

Firstly, I didn’t say “the occurrence of the Big Bang caused the singularity to go away” because it make much sense to say that if we agree to define the singularity as the first part/stage of the big bang itself.

Secondly, when did I say or imply that we are “in” the singularity?
-obviously I didn’t and obviously I don’t think that is true.

…means that one point as you have admitted, the singularity was here
before the Big Bang….

How can it make any sense to say “the singularity was here before the Big Bang” if we agree to define the singularity as the first part/stage of the big bang itself?
-that makes absolutely no logical sense -does the first minute in an hour come “before” that hour!!!? Yes or no?

The rest of your post is irrelevant because it ignores these points.