12 May 08
Originally posted by SupermanThe rule is that one of the players have to claim it, as described in the FAQ section "How do I claim a draw?".
I have a game in wich I repeated the third consecutive move and I was not aware that in order to the draw to work you had to actually claim it, why doesnt it work automatically?
In Wiki there are some famous examples of when a draw was claimed and when it wasn't:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Threefold_repetition
12 May 08
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Originally posted by Zipdrive NightmareI read the FAQ imediatly after I made the third move and it was not a draw automaticaly, the question is if it can be implemented to be automatic, of course would like to hear opinions about it.
The rule is that one of the players have to claim it, as described in the FAQ section "How do I claim a draw?".
In Wiki there are some famous examples of when a draw was claimed and when it wasn't:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Threefold_repetition
Of course the FAQ is not a rules section, is just an explination of how things shoud be done in this site, more like a general help, I will read further in the site rules about it.
12 May 08
I wouldn't want an automatic draw.
Why?
Because my opponent perhaps didn't see the draw and forgot to claim it.
Over the board, you have to claim the draw in order to get it. The same should be applied here.
Once I had three position repetition in the move 49, 61, and 65. I did see it, my opponent was surprised of the draw. But the thing is - I saw it. Therefore I deserved the draw.
12 May 08
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Originally posted by FabianFnasYes, it's a standard chess rule. I don't see any reason why it should be different on RHP.
I wouldn't want an automatic draw.
Why?
Because my opponent perhaps didn't see the draw and forgot to claim it.
Over the board, you have to claim the draw in order to get it. The same should be applied here.
Once I had three position repetition in the move 49, 61, and 65. I did see it, my opponent was surprised of the draw. But the thing is - I saw it. Therefore I deserved the draw.
12 May 08
Originally posted by FabianFnasI understand your position, but if the game is a Draw after the repetition, and this is a rule, then it should be automatic, the fact that a player could not notice and the oponent benefit from it is another thing.
I wouldn't want an automatic draw.
Why?
Because my opponent perhaps didn't see the draw and forgot to claim it.
Over the board, you have to claim the draw in order to get it. The same should be applied here.
Once I had three position repetition in the move 49, 61, and 65. I did see it, my opponent was surprised of the draw. But the thing is - I saw it. Therefore I deserved the draw.
But I will keep the majority choice.
12 May 08
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Originally posted by Zipdrive NightmareI understand that over the board the only calculation is betwen players, they must notice everything, from combinations, winning chances, mates in one and in two, even draws.
Yes, it's a standard chess rule. I don't see any reason why it should be different on RHP.
But what happens if a player moves a piece when he is in check and the other player doesn`t notice it, as it has hapenned, if ten moves pass, then ten moves the game must be rewinded and played again from the check position.
In RHP we have a software who decides if a move is ilegal, not allowing you to do so. the same software can be used to decide that the position is a draw.
Of course this is just a sugestion.
12 May 08
Originally posted by SupermanBut the game isn't drawn after the repetition unless a player claims it. That's why it can't be automatic unless you wish to change the rules of chess.
I understand your position, but if the game is a Draw after the repetition, and this is a rule, then it should be automatic, the fact that a player could not notice and the oponent benefit from it is another thing.
But I will keep the majority choice.
12 May 08
Originally posted by SupermanRHP or any online chess would be a mess if you could make an illegal move every time. Some people would do it every time just to cause confusion and see if they could get away with it, just like some people who offer a draw every move in a lost game. It's a waste of time.
I understand that over the board the only calculation is betwen players, they must notice everything, from combinations, winning chances, mates in one and in two, even draws.
But what happens if a player moves a piece when he is in check and the other player doesn`t notice it, as it has hapenned, if ten moves pass, then ten moves the game must be rewinde ...[text shortened]... ftware can be used to decide that the position is a draw.
Of course this is just a sugestion.
Claiming a draw doesn't happen nearly as often as a move, so it's best the user needs to claim it... just like in OTB chess. Now that you know the rule, you probably won't miss it if you are trying to do it or the other guy is trying to do it.
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12 May 08
Originally posted by SupermanIf the draw procedure is changed at RHP, I wouldn't mind very much. It's just not that important to fight for.
I understand your position, but if the game is a Draw after the repetition, and this is a rule, then it should be automatic, the fact that a player could not notice and the oponent benefit from it is another thing.
But I will keep the majority choice.
But I still want it to what it is now.
12 May 08
Originally posted by SupermanThe difference is, a threefold repetition isn't illegal, nor is avoiding to claim it.
I understand that over the board the only calculation is betwen players, they must notice everything, from combinations, winning chances, mates in one and in two, even draws.
But what happens if a player moves a piece when he is in check and the other player doesn`t notice it, as it has hapenned, if ten moves pass, then ten moves the game must be rewinde ...[text shortened]... ftware can be used to decide that the position is a draw.
Of course this is just a sugestion.
But I've never played OTB so I don't know about the rules for illegal moves, I'm just happy RHP doesn't allow me to make them 🙂
12 May 08
Originally posted by PhlabibitOf course now that I know I will not let it pass again 😉
RHP or any online chess would be a mess if you could make an illegal move every time. Some people would do it every time just to cause confusion and see if they could get away with it, just like some people who offer a draw every move in a lost game. It's a waste of time.
Claiming a draw doesn't happen nearly as often as a move, so it's best the user ...[text shortened]... probably won't miss it if you are trying to do it or the other guy is trying to do it.
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12 May 08
Originally posted by SupermanI don't believe this to be standard chess rules.
But what happens if a player moves a piece when he is in check and the other player doesn`t notice it, as it has hapenned, if ten moves pass, then ten moves the game must be rewinded and played again from the check position.
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