Originally posted by lemondrop wasn't it you who took over?
case closed
Roma quit your clan and indeed.......left it in the hands of a moron. It has been a well written about event.
Don't you remember........you threw your own clan games to your master robbie and after Roma called you out and informed the rest of the clan everyone abandoned ship like lightening.........leaving a moron in charge......of only himself.
Originally posted by radioactive69 Roma quit your clan and indeed.......left it in the hands of a moron. It has been a well written about event.
Don't you remember........you threw your own clan games to your master robbie and after Roma called you out and informed the rest of the clan everyone abandoned ship like lightening.........leaving a moron in charge......of only himself.
an extortion of the truth as usual with you
but the fact that you are a moron is well establshed
Just leave it as it is. (Annual net points)
Just leave it as it is (Annual net points) and punish any prior unsporting behaviour
A new variant of the current Annual net points rating.
An Elo rating variation, similar to player rating (As previewed in recent weeks.)
A formalised competition with scheduled challenges and net points variation.
Another solution, nothing above works for me
(my take)
1. doesn't really work, numerous threads have defined problems that need solving
2. helps a bit but... more is needed than a point rollback, or history will repeat itself
3. may have merit, if the change takes the right form
4. elo 'as presented' requires further development to be playable
5. sounds like '3' with structured challenges, what form would these take?
6. really open ended ...and that brings me to the next point
if i'm reading correctly
RHP is asking us where their development efforts should go
the wording is intentionally vague, allowing for clarification and improvement
regardless of the outcome, i don't believe this vote is the final decision
Originally posted by Giannotti Here's what was presented
Just leave it as it is. (Annual net points)
Just leave it as it is (Annual net points) and punish any prior unsporting behaviour
A new variant of the current Annual net points rating.
An Elo rating variation, similar to player rating (As previewed in recent weeks.)
A formalised competition with scheduled challenges and net ...[text shortened]... on and improvement
regardless of the outcome, i don't believe this vote is the final decision
1 and 2 are exactly the same thing.
Punishment of unsporting behaviour is already there. And it should be applied to all 5 of the other options.
What this leads to is splitting of the vote between 1 and 2 which allows another option to garner more votes.
Really ..... you could have presented ELO rating variation as 2 options, with and without punishment for unsporting behaviour.
That is my point !!
Originally posted by mghrn55 1 and 2 are exactly the same thing.
Punishment of unsporting behaviour is already there. And it should be applied to all 5 of the other options.
What this leads to is splitting of the vote between 1 and 2 which allows another option to garner more votes.
Really ..... you could have presented ELO rating variation as 2 options, with and without punishment for unsporting behaviour.
That is my point !!
Yes, I believe 1 and 2 will have to be combined as far as the new system is concerned, then whichever is the greater of 1 and 2 punishment or no punishment can then be applied.
Will punishment be a ban of these players or simply a roll back of points. I would support both of these punishments if applied.
The vote on punishment or no punishment should be a separate issue to a system vote
The 1 or 2 could be combined and then a vote on a new system
If the vote to punish the wrong doers is taken why should they be allowed to vote on a new system if they have been banished ?
Originally posted by padger The vote on punishment or no punishment should be a separate issue to a system vote
The 1 or 2 could be combined and then a vote on a new system
If the vote to punish the wrong doers is taken why should they be allowed to vote on a new system if they have been banished ?
debate in our forums resulted in two actions from RHP
a new clan system rating was previewed
a clan leader vote initiated
cool beans
thus far, the vote is in favor of 'punish collusion, and keep things as they are'
not a bad result, but one that's been played out before
clans chastened, points rolled back, parity achieved for a while
the current system is prone to management or manipulation
if you play into this, good results are certain
credit where credit is due, and well done
there was a bold move, on the part of clans that did not like this
they colluded, and risked punishment, to demonstrate this weakness
a hard to prove thing... collusion
i do believe it was done, at risk, to made a point
credit where credit is due
again well done
i will abide by, and play under any solution that is adopted
(i really like playing on this site)
i voted for a new point system, less prone to management or manipulation
potentially, such a system could render management or manipulation unattractive
and therefore not inspire the corrective action of collusion
i'm new to this guys
i have the chance to change my vote before all the votes are in
Originally posted by Giannotti debate in our forums resulted in two actions from RHP
a new clan system rating was previewed
a clan leader vote initiated
cool beans
thus far, the vote is in favor of 'punish collusion, and keep things as they are'
not a bad result, but one that's been played out before
clans chastened, points rolled back, parity achieved for a while
the cur ...[text shortened]... is guys
i have the chance to change my vote before all the votes are in
Originally posted by Giannotti debate in our forums resulted in two actions from RHP
a new clan system rating was previewed
a clan leader vote initiated
cool beans
thus far, the vote is in favor of 'punish collusion, and keep things as they are'
not a bad result, but one that's been played out before
clans chastened, points rolled back, parity achieved for a while
the cur ...[text shortened]... is guys
i have the chance to change my vote before all the votes are in
have i been naive?
You have not been naïve
Maybe the site has by the voting options has. It looks like they are trying everything not to punish the cheats even when it's happened before
I don't think they understand the utter contempt players on here have for the easy riders and sister clans
What they did is a slap in the face for chess players everywhere
There is no closing date for the vote
Call me cynical but it looks like they are waiting for a result they want
Punish the cheats
No time limit on justice
No amnesty
Originally posted by mghrn55 Is there going to be any update from site admin on the messed up clan table ?
Statistics are still a mess !!
Probably when they sort out the leaders vote on the clan system
It needs to have the punishment vote before the vote on the way forward with the clan system
Originally posted by padger Probably when they sort out the leaders vote on the clan system
It needs to have the punishment vote before the vote on the way forward with the clan system
This is a site defect that was introduced when Russ rolled out the clan rating pilot.
Originally posted by padger Why would ELO win when over 60 have voted not to have it
That's how votes work, the leading option wins, pure and simple.
If one option had to outnumber all the others combined, we'd never get a solution.
People voting for #1 were wasting their vote, that was my point, which others have also stated.
I just hope they come up with a solution soon, just put an end to all this nonsense.
Not everyone will be pleased, but that's just life.
12 Apr '17 00:33
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