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Originally posted by FabianFnasThe problem, as I see it, is that it is not as simple as putting the appropriate tags into the original html code. There are no HTML tags to map country IDs to country names or player data to players. To put ratings and country titles on each flag and player nick would require a call to the database or a join on tables which would add load on the server which would slow down the entire site for everyone.
ouroboros: "You are free to take my scripts and convert them for use with IE."
Thank you, but I don't know how I could do this from my end. Therefore I would like to put the appropriate tags into the original html code.
And I say again - you are doing a fantastic job, ouroboros, I would like to take part of the result also, but with IE and not FF. And this only Russ et al can do.
In terms of site enhancements, Russ and Chris have their own priorities. Perhaps it would be helpful if there was a public TODO list posted somewhere to see where your request is on the list. However, the beauty of Firefox, and Open Source in general, is that you are not beholden to others for things that you want. If you want something, you are free to implement it according to your schedule and your need.
By way of analogy, take the iPod. I could buy that and be locked into the features that Apple decides to put into the device. I'd have to live with the DRM that they attach to iTunes and I really don't have a say in the way it progresses. On the other hand, I could buy a Neuros, iriver, Cowon, etc. that allows you to run a custom firmware and let's me make changes. I'm not restricted by the manufacturer. I have the freedom to add features when I want them and not on someone else's schedule.
In the end though, it is up to you. Personally, I choose freedom.
Originally posted by ouroboros"The problem, as I see it, is that it is not as simple as putting the appropriate tags into the original html code."
The problem, as I see it, is that it is not as simple as putting [b]the appropriate tags into the original html code. There are no HTML tags to map country IDs to country names or player data to players. To put ratings and country titles on each flag and player nick would require a call to the database or a join on tables which would add load on the ...[text shortened]... eone else's schedule.
In the end though, it is up to you. Personally, I choose freedom.[/b]
In my profile I can see the code for my flag as:
If I want the name of the country when hoovering over tha flag, the code would be like:
This is totally within the html standards. I don't think there would be any need of FireFox, nor very much work for Russ et al to acomplish this. In the user profile table it should be very easy to bring the info of the country as well, and present it within the img-tag. But who am I to know...?
Russ et al is doing a great job. (You are too, if I may say so.) I don't want them to be burdened with more job than they already have.
I think you and I understand each other quite well. I also like freedom - my freedom of choice. I choose IE and, yes, I wouldn't say no if Windows came with FF. But if I were to choose whatever I want, I would want Linux and everything else with it and not Microsoft. But now things are what they are. I want the same things that I have at work, what they have at the local club, what my friends have and so on. Not a mix of everything. What MS delivers is what almost everyone have and that is good enough for me. The only things I don't want - is problems.
Originally posted by FabianFnasIts interesting to see how Microsoft's illegal activities work on the clueless.
Dr Strangelove: "You don't mind being forced to use IE though?"
No, of course not. IE comes with Windows itself. Had FF came with the Windows, I would of course used it.
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2000/may2000/micr-m23.shtml
Well done on helping stifle innovation, promote monopolies, support of corporate bullying tactics and illegal practices.
But then, if you want to be bullied into using inferior software, as you say, that is your choice. It's just a little laughable.
I mean, you probably got a mode of transport when you were 6, your first bicycle. With your mentality, you must be still riding that bike seeing as it serves your purpose of needing to get from A to B. Why get something which better serves this purpose when you already have the trusty bike which gets you there, thank you very much. 🙄
You may only have one toaster, but if that one toaster was a danger to your house (as IE is a danger due to it being easily susceptible by viri and spyware), possibly by having open wires, then you'd buy a new, better toaster. Similarly, if it was merely an annoyance (like IE's continuous pop-ups) by emitting smoke everytime you used it, you may also think about changing the toaster.
Your thinking is completely illogical to me, but if you're not confident enough to try new things on your PC, then fair enough.
Just don't try to say that FF has more problems that IE, which is a total lie.
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Originally posted by FabianFnasYou are viewing the problem from the frontend. Displaying the data, once you have it, is the easy part. Yes, you can use the 'title' attribute of the img tag to create a "tool tip" containing the country name or player rating.
"The problem, as I see it, is that it is not as simple as putting [b]the appropriate tags into the original html code."
In my profile I can see the code for my flag as:
If I want the name of the country when hoovering over tha flag, the code would be like:
This is totally within the html standards. I don't think there would be any need of Fir ...[text shortened]... the info of the country as well, and present it within the img-tag. But who am I to know...? [/b]
But this is more of a backend database question. How is the data stored. If it is in 3rd normal form, you're likely to have a player table that only contains the country ID. You would then have a table containing the country ID to country name mapping. You would need to join these two tables to get the data which puts more load on the database. The same applies to the player data (e.g. rating) when joined with the forum data.
Of course, I don't know how the database is really structured or the load extra queries would put on the server. Only people with access to the backend can answer these questions. However, I do notice that when pulling up the 'Clan Member Info' page, it is relatively slow. I can only assume that this is because player data is being joined with clan data and the database is chugging a little harder.
Originally posted by RagnorakThis is your words. I don't agree. If you really think you have the Truth at your very hand, then we better continue this debate at "Spirituality forum".
Its interesting to see how Microsoft's illegal activities work on the clueless.
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2000/may2000/micr-m23.shtml
Well done on helping stifle innovation, promote monopolies, support of corporate bullying tactics and illegal practices.
But then, if you want to be bullied into using inferior software, as you say, that is your cho ...[text shortened]... h.
Just don't try to say that FF has more problems that IE, which is a total lie.
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If you object to my opinions, then I suggest you read my postings once more. Perhaps you understand better then.
If you say I am a liar, then I find it harassing.
Originally posted by ouroborosYou're probably right. I don't know the internal structures of the databases RHP system uses. What I know is that one will always hold the accesses to all databases to an absolute minimum and that is probably what Russ et al are doing.
You are viewing the problem from the frontend. Displaying the data, once you have it, is the easy part. Yes, you can use the 'title' attribute of the img tag to create a "tool tip" containing the country name or player rating.
But this is more of a backend database question. How is the data stored. If it is in 3rd normal form, you're likely to have ...[text shortened]... player data is being joined with clan data and the database is chugging a little harder.
How are you doing this in FF? Do you have internal tables stored at the users systems? And update them whenever the info are available from RHP?
Originally posted by FabianFnasI'm using a separate server, thanks to giantrobot of chessmob.org. Player information is collected when you view a game board or view someone's profile. The player data (rating and country ID) are grabbed from the page and sent to chessmob.org where it is stored in the database. Every time that you view a thread, the addon checks the local cache for the data and if it doesn't have it sends a request to chessmob.org for it. Everyone using the addon has access to the database so it is a community effort to build the database of player data.
How are you doing this in FF? Do you have internal tables stored at the users systems? And update them whenever the info are available from RHP?
This doesn't create additional load on RHP but rather distributes the load to your client and the chessmob.org server. Since the data sent and received is small and data is cached in the browser, the bandwidth used is kept at a minimum.
Of course, this means that real-time data is not always available and the dataset is not complete. It's my contention that it doesn't need to be complete (not everyone posts in the forums) and that it doesn't need to be real-time (rating data changes infrequently depending on the player and country data should change even less frequently).
Originally posted by ouroborosClever, I must say!
I'm using a separate server, thanks to giantrobot of chessmob.org. Player information is collected when you view a game board or view someone's profile. The player data (rating and country ID) are grabbed from the page and sent to chessmob.org where it is stored in the database. Every time that you view a thread, the addon checks the local cache for the ...[text shortened]... nfrequently depending on the player and country data should change even less frequently).
In your opinion, is it possible to do the same thing in IE? Or are we locked out completely from such a solution, thanks to Mr Bill Gates the almighty?
Originally posted by FabianFnasTo be honest, I don't know. I'm not familiar with the IE architecture. I would assume that it would require creating a "new" browser that used the IE rendering engine. Firefox makes adding "extensions" or "addons" very simple.
Clever, I must say!
In your opinion, is it possible to do the same thing in IE? Or are we locked out completely from such a solution, thanks to Mr Bill Gates the almighty?
It might be possible to create a Greasemonkey for IE script that integrates the functionality but I haven't looked into the features of gm4ie to know if it is possible.
Originally posted by ouroborosThis thread turned out to be a very pleasant one.
To be honest, I don't know. I'm not familiar with the IE architecture. I would assume that it would require creating a "new" browser that used the IE rendering engine. Firefox makes adding "extensions" or "addons" very simple.
It might be possible to create a Greasemonkey for IE script that integrates the functionality but I haven't looked into the features of gm4ie to know if it is possible.
Thank you, ouroboros, for your comment in this subject.
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Originally posted by FabianFnasMmm... Ever wondered that perhaps it is because with FF there are easy solutions to that problem?
Palynka: "What problems here stem from Firefox?"
I won't go further into this line than this: When I see people having problems, they are adviced to use methods that has nothing to do with IE. Therefore I conclude the problem must be FF oriented.
Just look at this thread for one example.