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Originally posted by Daemon SinVery good question. And let's add this game in question in the middle of a OTB tournament. And then let's say the player comes back a month later to complain to the judges that he shouldn't have lost from a forfeit because there was no way for his opponent to checkmate him if he had stayed and finished the game. Any responses???
Out of interest, if you were playing OTB, what would FIDE and USCF rule if during his move a player walked away from the table and never came back?
Originally posted by KingDavid403I could not find the rule online, but I believe the USCF rules state that a player may not leave the playing area for more than 15 minutes without informing the TD. I am not sure what the penalty is.
Very good question. And let's add this game in question in the middle of a OTB tournament. And then let's say the player comes back a month later to complain to the judges that he shouldn't have lost from a forfeit because there was no way for his opponent to checkmate him if he had stayed and finished the game. Any responses???
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Originally posted by KingDavid403I fail to see your point. I repeat: He'd lose if his flag fell and I had sufficient material to mate. It would be a draw if I didn't.
Very good question. And let's add this game in question in the middle of a OTB tournament. And then let's say the player comes back a month later to complain to the judges that he shouldn't have lost from a forfeit because there was no way for his opponent to checkmate him if he had stayed and finished the game. Any responses???
If in your scenario, the player who should have had a draw cheated and claimed a win say by putting away the pieces and marking the posted result sheet as a win, he'd be subject to santions if this could be proven.
It's usually wise to get the TD if you are claiming a time forfeit over an absent opponent.
Originally posted by SwissGambitRule 20H says: Players with games in progress should not leave the playing room for more than 15 minutes without permission from the director. A first offense usually does not warrant a forfeit unless there is additional evidence suggesting a further rules violation during the absence.
I could not find the rule online, but I believe the USCF rules state that a player may not leave the playing area for more than 15 minutes without informing the TD. I am not sure what the penalty is.
Rule 20H1 states: It is rude and unsportsmanlike to abandon a lost position without resigning. Any player with a bad position who is absent without permission for over 15 minutes risks having the game adjudicated.
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Originally posted by iggy4Hiya
In tournament play, if you run out of time and your opponent has no pieces, then it is draw, but on here you lose if you timeout regardless of whether or not your opponent can win.
The site seems to implement the rules of correspondence chess, which are different. This question keeps coming up though, so ought to be a FAQ.
Previous references:
http://www.redhotpawn.com/board/showthread.php?threadid=59096
http://www.redhotpawn.com/board/showthread.php?threadid=100302
And one set of rules:
http://www.iccf.com/rules/rules_050101_all_webserver.shtml
Rule 1a says they have precedence over FIDE. 3b and 6e say you lose on time.
Fairly clear, fairly blunt. Don't move on time, and you lose. Material, chance of forcing checkmate, with or without assisting opponent, are all missing from these rules.
As there is a precedent for simply losing on time, there is no need for the site to implement more complicated rules.
Originally posted by gezzaI'd like to see an example of ICCF awarding a time-forfeit win to a player who had no mating material.
Hiya
The site seems to implement the rules of correspondence chess, which are different. This question keeps coming up though, so ought to be a FAQ.
Previous references:
http://www.redhotpawn.com/board/showthread.php?threadid=59096
http://www.redhotpawn.com/board/showthread.php?threadid=100302
And one set of rules:
http://www.iccf.com/rules/rules_05 ...[text shortened]... t for simply losing on time, there is no need for the site to implement more complicated rules.
I find it hard to believe that they would actually award such a win. When I look at their rules, they look too simple compared to the USCF and FIDE ones. Surely, this case has come up in at least one ICCF game under the current rules.
Originally posted by Pavlo87oh you analyzed the game. you are right, he deserved to lose. but even if he is a whiner and a cocky one at that his idea still has some merit.
Game 5471493
[pgn]
[Event "Challenge"]
[Site "http://www.redhotpawn.com"]
[Date "2008.09.24"]
[EndDate "2008.11.25"]
[Round "?"]
[White "misterhu"]
[Black "iggy4"]
[WhiteRating "1569"]
[BlackRating "1608"]
[WhiteELO "1569"]
[BlackELO "1608"]
[Result "1-0"]
[GameId "5471493"]
1. e3 b6 2. Nb1c3 Bc8b7 3. d4 e6 4. e4 Bf8b4 5. Bc1d2 Bb4xc ...[text shortened]... se does what you were doing have? Giving away pieces for no reason.