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Originally posted by MilkyJoeHe could have played f4 and then g1+Q and then Qg3++
Well, not the first one. That would have been stalemate (I think).
Originally posted by Simon McMahonYou're correct.
I don't think it matters that this guy was messing around in his game. He found a rule that rhp does not apply.
From wikipedia:
If player A calls attention to the fact that player B is out of time while player A is not out of time and some sequence of legal moves leads to B being checkmated then player A wins automatically. If player A does not h ...[text shortened]... rg 2003:49–52).
The rules apply to OTB but I can't see why they should not apply at rhp.
Originally posted by Mctaytoof course, you would be in difficulty to design a program to evaluate the position.
OTB you would be correct but online chess gives a time out win to the skull collector regardless of sufficient material
Originally posted by ZahlanziThere's no need to code all possible cases - just the most common 3 cases.
of course, you would be in difficulty to design a program to evaluate the position.
Originally posted by Simon McMahonWiki is wrong as regards the USCF. Rule 13C requires that to win a time forfeit a player must have mating material. Rule 14E1 expressly states that a lone King is insufficient material to win on time.
I don't think it matters that this guy was messing around in his game. He found a rule that rhp does not apply.
From wikipedia:
If player A calls attention to the fact that player B is out of time while player A is not out of time and some sequence of legal moves leads to B being checkmated then player A wins automatically. If player A does not h rg 2003:49–52).
The rules apply to OTB but I can't see why they should not apply at rhp.
Originally posted by no1marauderPerhaps that Wiki isn't such a reliable source to go to after all huh?
Wiki is wrong as regards the USCF. Rule 13C requires that to win a time forfeit a player must have mating material. Rule 14E1 expressly states that a lone King is insufficient material to win on time.
"Insufficient losing chances" is a different rule having to do with draw claims in sudden death. Rule 14H. It cannot be invoked after your flag falls.
Originally posted by SwissGambitthe game in question is more complex. and nobody but the lamest bastards continue to play in a king - king situation hoping the other will timeout.
There's no need to code [b]all possible cases - just the most common 3 cases.
You should not win on time if:
1. You have only a King
2. You have only a King and Bishop, and your opp has no N, B or P.
3. You have only a King and Knight, and your opp has no R, N, B or P.
These would be easy enough to program.[/b]
Originally posted by ZahlanziI agree.
i still think the idea of a referee, one with high rating and reputation would be the easiest solution.
Originally posted by Zahlanzithe game in question is more complex.
the game in question is more complex. and nobody but the lamest bastards continue to play in a king - king situation hoping the other will timeout.
the problem is when for example your opponent has a king, a bishop(night) and a pawn, you have a king and a bishop and more timebank. so you keep moving your pieces being careful not to repeat the position 3 ...[text shortened]... think the idea of a referee, one with high rating and reputation would be the easiest solution.
Originally posted by PhlabibitIn my opinion this person had every right to play on hoping for the draw or stalemate. A draw is always better than a loss and it's part of chess. And a timeout is also part of chess.
Wow, it was actually 3 pawns promoted to knights.
LOLO!
Originally posted by KingDavid403But on the other hand, we have to thank iggy4 to (involontary) play the big role here in this thread.
If iggy4 would have promoted their pawns to a rook or queen like any normal person and played the end game right, and moved on time, we wouldn't even have this thread to discuss.😴
Originally posted by KingDavid403The object of chess is checkmate. If you lack material sufficient to checkmate, you shouldn't be able to win.
In my opinion this person had every right to play on hoping for the draw or stalemate. A draw is always better than a loss and it's part of chess. And a timeout is also part of chess.
As long as the opponent kept promoting their pawns to knights they kept giving their opponent the possibility and hope of a draw or stalemate.
Our private clan f ...[text shortened]... played the end game right, and moved on time, we wouldn't even have this thread to discuss.😴