Proposal to improve Net Points scoring

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
It wasn't in place then so it does not matter, Its been fun watching your thread flop though. 😵

Russ updated the data in 2016.
Like he said he would.

It's in place !!
Anyone can sort 2016 by clan rating.
They can't do it for 2015.

You clamored for it. You got it !!
Read it and weep !! 😀😀

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
wow it was a sunny day until you showed, now its like a monsoon of Metallica tears. Where Crybay Stover at?

Hey RobbieCheat. You can say what you want about me it doesn't matter. You will be known as a cheater a liar a dishonest person someone to be held in contempt for the rest of your days. Sad to be you!

Originally posted by mghrn55
Russ updated the data in 2016.
Like he said he would.

It's in place !!
Anyone can sort 2016 by clan rating.
They can't do it for 2015.

You clamored for it. You got it !!
Read it and weep !! 😀😀

I do see one difference in the 2015 clan standings.
For those who haven't noticed.

Strategic Ultimatum has been removed from the 2015 clan table.

Something I was asking for as being only the right thing to do.

More to come ?? 😀😀

Originally posted by carystover
Hey RobbieCheat. You can say what you want about me it doesn't matter. You will be known as a cheater a liar a dishonest person someone to be held in contempt for the rest of your days. Sad to be you!

i don't think Robbie actually knows how much he used to be respected on here, all gone now, forever remembered as a liar and cheat
i would have expected that sort of behaviour from the likes of mctayto but not Robbie, he will reply with his usual "i don't care"
well Robbie no ones care about you sad little spiteful cheat of a man

lol I must be in some kinda crybaby festival man! 😵

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
lol I must be in some kinda crybaby festival man! 😵

You are the crybaby festival.
You haven't contributed any constructive comments to my proposal.
Except to call it an epic fail.
Which it is NOT !!

I actually like the lack of white noise in this thread.
It means the people are actually giving this some thought.
Russ included I would think.

You are just polluting this thread with your drivel now.

Also nice to see site administration has taken up my suggestion and fixed the 2015 clan table.
Strategic Ultimatum is gone !!

Is 2016 next ?? 😀

Originally posted by mghrn55
You are the crybaby festival.
You haven't contributed any constructive comments to my proposal.
Except to call it an epic fail.
Which it is NOT !!

I actually like the lack of white noise in this thread.
It means the people are actually giving this some thought.
Russ included I would think.

You are just polluting this thread with your drivel now. ...[text shortened]... suggestion and fixed the 2015 clan table.
Strategic Ultimatum is gone !!

Is 2016 next ?? 😀

you are whacko and so is your lame proposals - we already have a new system no need of discussing your fruitcake system. Man reality just cannot make any inroads.

Perhaps the Net Point vs. Gross Point calculation doesn't need to happen at all

Consider this

- a point is awarded to the clan for every game won in a challenge

- a half point is awarded to both clans in the event of a draw

- no points are removed for a loss

It might be an over-simplification but it's very playable

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
you are whacko and so is your lame proposals - we already have a new system no need of discussing your fruitcake system. Man reality just cannot make any inroads.

You poor deluded fool
Have you been out in the sun too long
You seem to be having hallucinations
Just shows you and after only one day of sunshine
I do not know what you will be like when summer gets here
You can't have a new system in place until everybody has voted on it

Originally posted by Giannotti
Perhaps the Net Point vs. Gross Point calculation doesn't need to happen at all

Consider this

- a point is awarded to the clan for every game won in a challenge

- a half point is awarded to both clans in the event of a draw

- no points are removed for a loss

It might be an over-simplification but it's very playable

I would have put 2 ,1 ,0
But yes that works for me

Originally posted by padger
I would have put 2 ,1 ,0
But yes that works for me

Yeah, actually that's better, half points would be more difficult for Russ to manage

Good suggestion

Originally posted by Giannotti
Perhaps the Net Point vs. Gross Point calculation doesn't need to happen at all

Consider this

- a point is awarded to the clan for every game won in a challenge

- a half point is awarded to both clans in the event of a draw

- no points are removed for a loss

It might be an over-simplification but it's very playable

I would have come up with this a long time ago.
But this suggestion would not stop the accusations of sand bagging.
It will not end the sandbagging issue.

Originally posted by mghrn55
I would have come up with this a long time ago.
But this suggestion would not stop the accusations of sand bagging.
It will not end the sandbagging issue.

There's a flaw in every system, please help me to improve on this

- two points are awarded to the clan for every game won in a challenge

- a point is awarded to both clans in the event of a draw

- no points are removed for a loss


No enticement to resign from a game, the challenge isn't over until all games are concluded

No artificial player rating drop


However, a player could still lower their rating via games outside the clan system

To counter this, I suggest that each player should have clan rating, uncoupled from their site rating, based on ELO


ELO is a good system, but it's being applied at the wrong level

It should be used for players, not clans


Applied at the clan level it causes stagnation, rather than fluidity in creating challenges


Russ hasn't yet told us how he plans to factor in the clan rating

But the way things stand, every clan would love to beat The Wood Pushers and there is little advantage in challenging a lower rated clan

If we knew how the clan rating might be used to determine the yearly outcome it would be very helpful

Originally posted by Giannotti
There's a flaw in every system, please help me to improve on this

- two points are awarded to the clan for every game won in a challenge

- a point is awarded to both clans in the event of a draw

- no points are removed for a loss


No enticement to resign from a game, the challenge isn't over until all games are concluded

No artificial pl ...[text shortened]... knew how the clan rating might be used to determine the yearly outcome it would be very helpful

What was wrong with my scoring proposal ?
Every game counts.
It covers any rating difference between the players.

And it serves as appeasement to the complainers about sandbagging, clan challenge game dumping.

My proposal , admittedly, was more intended to shut up the whiners than to solve the more serious issue like collusion.

If I were to criticize my own proposal.

Your proposal is very well thought and playable, I offer no criticism at all

It takes all of the current problems into account


I'm fairly new to clan leadership, and I don't have your insight or experience

My approach to the problem is overly simple, easy to program, and (hopefully) difficult to manipulate