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@rookie54

No.
"Stop thinking" is merely to permit the mind do its thing, but to not indulge into its thing. An illustration: You can permit your eye to see, but you should not indulge into the object of the seeing. Mind you, the mind and the other 5 senses of yours are termed in the Buddhist tradition as "Thieves" simply because they impose your mind over your true nature, the so called "Clear Light".

So, to simply permit your ideas to pass on like the waves of a shallow rough river, will do; permit each wave to pass through your mind, and do not permit your mind to feed them. You are the master of your mind, the mind should not be the master of you. This is known as "Thinking not, sitting quietly, doing nothing".


@Suzianne
Too hard. I am very sorry, Suzianne.


@black-beetle said
@rookie54

No.
"Stop thinking" is merely to permit the mind do its thing, but to not indulge into its thing.
a fair perspective, thank you...

The bait is the means
To get the fish where you want it;
Catch the fish and you discard the bait.
Words are the means to get the idea
Where you want it;
Catch onto the idea
And you forget about the words.

- Zhuangzi


Just come to see that everything is passing on,
That nothing in your mind remains
The same for even the span of a breath.
If you see like that for even a moment,
Then for that moment you are free.

- Ji Aoi Isshi

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Clouds and rain shroud
The gateless gate;
Frost and snow veil
The winding road.
With contemplation and subtlety
Of spirit we discover Tao
And the secret of the Way grows
Within us.
- Loy Ching-yuen


@moonbus said
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Hmmm, was that the emptiness which is full of itself? The Tao which can be spoken is not the Tao, etc.?
“But there is greater comfort in the substance of silence than in the answer to a question.”
― Thomas Merton


@moonbus said
On the one hand, it's all about mindfulness. But on the other hand, you're not who you think you are. Westerners especially tend to over-rationalize and over-explain things. At some level you have to stop thinking and just experience who you are. J. Krishnamurti's "Commentaries on Living" (3 vols.) offer good insights into this.
lose the words to understand even better. They'll still be there if you need to come back to them

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@black-beetle said
@Suzianne
Too hard. I am very sorry, Suzianne.
Someone once said that we cannot know the highest highs without also experiencing the lowest lows. Years before the events in my post, I was very near the lowest low, far worse than these two events. It all joins together to produce perspective, and this is what enables my "more abundant" life now. There is purpose to be found to almost every event in one's life if one bothers to look.

Thank you for your empathy.


@suzianne said
It all joins together to produce perspective, and this is what enables my "more abundant" life now.
In what ways does this "more abundant life now" manifest itself or influence your demeanour and behaviour here in a positive way, according to your way of thinking and the way you perceive yourself?

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@Suzianne

Your experience is very heavy. It reminds me of the author of the a poem which became a popular Hymn What A Friend We Have In Jesus.

The songs came out of a man who twice lost women to whom he was just about to be married. Once died in an fall off of a horse shortly before the wedding. And years latter the second one died of sickness before they were about to marry.

He penned a poem which was published in a news paper, I believe. And latter someone turned it into a song.

Twice having lost the loves of his life he was driven for comfort to get to know his Lord Jesus very intimately. Your tragic experience soon reminded me of this person's experience.

Thankyou for sharing this personal story and giving many of us a reason to remember to be thankful.

The Story behind 'What A Friend We Have in Jesus' the story of Joseph Scriven's poem -


( I wanted to find the version minus the performers at the end, but couldn't)


@fmf said
In what ways does this "more abundant life now" manifest itself or influence your demeanour and behaviour here in a positive way, according to your way of thinking and the way you perceive yourself?
I am learning to ignore the sound of your one handed clapping.


@suzianne said
I am learning to ignore the sound of your one handed clapping.
You mentioned your "abundant life". Is there any reason why this does not seem to manifest itself in your online persona? Is this a social environment where it does not flourish? I am curious about this.


Fir, bamboo, and pure shadow merge;
I move unnoticed where my thoughts incline.
Chill springs up before the rain.
Silence ends; a monk suddenly returns.
Bug tracks bore into obscure holes;
Moss roots join broken ridgepoles.
My reflections turn to a hidden place, deep,
Then down from the top of the peak,
Step by step.
- Pao T’an


Hard rain, our gathered firewood scant;
Lamp frozen, glimmers not at night.
In the cave, wind blows stones and mud.
Moss engravings weatherstrip rickety door.
Brooks in torrent untiring;
People’s words more and more rare.
What schemes calm heart?
Sitting in the lotus,
Wrapped in robes of Zen.
- Hsu Yun (1840-1958)


Everything is quiet,
And the night is clear:
The perfect time to raise your pillow
And cultivate your mind.
- Daegak Euchon

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