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    why do these numbers appear so often in the christian miracle stories ?
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    Originally posted by mister moggy
    why do these numbers appear so often in the christian miracle stories ?
    There is much to be said about the significance of certain numbers in the Bible.

    In the measurements of the ark, the tabernacle, the temple, and the New Jerusalem there is quite much use of key symbolic numbers.

    3 often points to the Truine God and resurrection.

    7 points to a full cycle of perfection in time.

    12 points to a full cycle of perfection in eternity.

    40 is a number associated with trial and testing.

    The book of Revelation makes heavy use of symbolism in numbers.
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    Originally posted by sonship
    There is much to be said about the significance of certain numbers in the Bible.

    In the measurements of the ark, the tabernacle, the temple, and the New Jerusalem there is quite much use of key symbolic numbers.

    [b] 3
    often points to the Truine God and resurrection.

    7 points to a full cycle of perfection in time.

    12 ...[text shortened]... th trial and testing.

    The book of Revelation makes heavy use of symbolism in numbers.[/b]
    3 points to the triune God???? wow you never miss a chance to impose your paganism onto scripture, do you.
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    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    3 points to the triune God???? wow you never miss a chance to impose your paganism onto scripture, do you.
    3 points to the three-one God and often the three-one God in resurrection.

    One example - There are three parables in Luke 15 which indicate the operations of each of the Three in the Trinity.

    Luke 15:1 - 7 is the parable of the shepherd seeking a lost sheep. This is about the Son.

    Luke 15: 8 - 9 is the parable about the woman sweeping to find the lost coin. This is about the operation of the Holy Spirit.

    Luke 15:11-32 is the parable about the loving father, more popularly called "The Prodigal Son". This is a parable about the operation of the Father.

    So three parables are in Luke 15 indicating the Trinity and the operation of each, the Son, the Spirit, the Father in the Triune God.
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    Originally posted by sonship
    [b] 3 points to the three-one God and often the three-one God in resurrection.

    One example - There are three parables in Luke 15 which indicate the operations of each of the Three in the Trinity.

    Luke 15:1 - 7 is the parable of Shepherd seeking a lost sheep. This points is about the Son.

    Luke 15: 8 - 9 is the parable ...[text shortened]... cating the Trinity and the operation of each, the Son, the Spirit, the Father in the Triune God.[/b]
    There is no mention of a 'triune God', in the entire Biblical cannon, you simply made it up. There are plenty of pagan trinities though none are mentioned in the Bible either.
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    The carnal mind thinks the things of the Spirit are foolishness.
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    i do not find a trinity in the scriptures spoken of clearly. it is an interpretation.

    a trinity may be true but it is an interpretation.

    what it clear is that there is a father, a son and a holy ghost.

    they are not, reading the scriptures as i see it, combining the three into one.

    but then, you must see the original question ( and the implied question ).

    why are the numbers 3, 7, 12 and 40 so prevelant in the scripture miracle stories ?
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    In the first chapter of Ephesians there are three sections of Paul's exposition. Each ends with the phrase about to the praise of God's glory.

    The three sections are sketched below:

    Verses 3-6 which concludes -

    "To the praise of the glory of His grace, with which He graced us in the Beloved." (v.6)


    If you examine the portion carefully you will noticed that it is about the operation of the Father.

    Verses 7 - 12 which concludes -

    "That we would be to the praise of His glory who have first hoped in Christ." (v.12)


    If you examine these verses you should see that they are about the accomplishment of the Son.

    Verses 13-14 concludes -

    Who is the pledge of our inheritance unto the redemption of the acquired possession, to the praise of His glory." (v.14)


    Examining these verses we see they pertain to the operation of the Holy Spirit.

    The three sections - 3-6; 7-12; 13-14 outline the operation of each of the Three in the Trinity.
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    I saw what was said about the miracles.
    Miracles, particularly in John are called signs.

    The usage of symbolic numbers in the signs are part of the more profound theological matter that the signs point to.
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    Originally posted by mister moggy
    i do not find a trinity in the scriptures spoken of clearly. it is an interpretation.

    a trinity may be true but it is an interpretation.


    Yes it is interpretation. One can decide on the validity of interpretations.

    Another set of three pointing to the Trinity.

    There are three sections to the salutations in the book of Revelation. One pertaining to the God and Father; one pointing to the Holy Spirit; and one to the Son.

    Revelation 1:1-5

    " John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace to you and peace from Him who is and who was and who is coming, [The Father]

    and from the seven Spirits who are before His throne [The Holy Spirit]

    And from Jesus Christ, the faithful Witness, the Firstborn of the dead, and the Ruler of the kings of the earth. To Him who loves us and has released us from our sins by His blood." [ The Son ]



    Three sections to the salutation, each pertaining to One of the Trinity.

    Interpretation? Okay. I think valid interpretation of three pertaining to the Triune God.
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    Originally posted by mister moggy
    i do not find a trinity in the scriptures spoken of clearly. it is an interpretation.

    a trinity may be true but it is an interpretation.

    what it clear is that there is a father, a son and a holy ghost.

    they are not, reading the scriptures as i see it, combining the three into one.

    but then, you must see the original question ( and the impli ...[text shortened]... estion ).

    why are the numbers 3, 7, 12 and 40 so prevelant in the scripture miracle stories ?
    careful Mr Moggy you may be accused of carnal thought and your text may elicit the sonship wall of death, like a blue screen only worse.
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    The final consummation of God's salvation - the New Jerusalem.

    There are four sides and three gates on each side. This means 4 times 3 which is 12. The 12 gates point to perfection in eternity.

    The 3 gates and mingled with the 4 sides to make multiplication.
    The mingling of 3 and 4 stand for the mingling of the Triune God with His creature man.

    12 here is composed of 3 x 4. Four sides each with three gates.
    This stands not for God added to man but God MINGLED with man.

    In the beginning part of Revelation you have many 7s.
    7 churches
    7 Spirits of God
    7 lampstands
    7 eyes of the Lamb
    7 horns of the Lamb
    7 seals
    7 trumpets
    7 thunders
    7 bowls of the wrath of God

    Seven there is composed mostly of 3 added to 4.
    This is perfection in time. God is added to man.

    In eternity the relationship is deeper than addition. It is multiplication 12 is the mingling of 3 and 4. This stands for the mingling of Divinity with Humanity.

    4 stands for the creature or the creation.

    4 living creatures.
    4 corners of the world
    4 winds

    In time you have with God's economy may 7s. This is the Triune God added to man.

    For His eternal plan you have something deeper than the Triune God (3) added to man (4). You have the Triune God (3) mingled with man (4). That is a multiplication rather than an addition.

    There are many 12s related to the ultimate consummation - New Jerusalem. Our destiny as believers is a corporate expression of God mingled with man - 3 x 4 = 12.
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    careful Mr Moggy you may be accused of carnal thought and your text may elicit the sonship wall of death, like a blue screen only worse.


    Moggy, robbie has pretty much given up trying to convince us of his Jehovah's Witness teaching.

    He's still good for a wisecrack here and there.
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    16 Oct '15 04:23
    Originally posted by sonship
    [b] 3 points to the three-one God and often the three-one God in resurrection.

    One example - There are three parables in Luke 15 which indicate the operations of each of the Three in the Trinity.

    Luke 15:1 - 7 is the parable of the shepherd seeking a lost sheep. This is about the Son.

    Luke 15: 8 - 9 is the parable ab ...[text shortened]... cating the Trinity and the operation of each, the Son, the Spirit, the Father in the Triune God.[/b]
    What an utter fabrication. I shall now find 1 verse in every book of Bible that is about the oneness of God. 🙄
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    16 Oct '15 04:24
    Originally posted by mister moggy
    why do these numbers appear so often in the christian miracle stories ?
    Why do you think it is?
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