6 Days of Creation

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Pretty vacant FMF and out to lunch!

Actually he is right on the money. Not vacant at all.

Given religions in general have a pretty poor record of dealing with sexual abuse, including
yours and in recent times, making tasteless and humourless jokes about rape when
confronted with the abomination of the bible's treatment of rape victims is telling, and
indicative of what is wrong with you, and your religion.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
yeah because lets face it 'the ugly sisters', weren't really ugly at all, thy were merely
,'less attractive,' than Cinderella and couldn't help it at all. We should rewrite the
children stories to accommodate your sensitivities in this delicate matter. While you
plastic Christians were killing each other by the millions were were not, just saying.

I've said nothing about "Cinderella", robbie. It's you who is now referring to "Cinderella" over and over again. I simply took exception to your puerile comments about girls getting raped. Rape is a heinous crime of sexual violence right up there with murder. It's not about 'pretty chicks' and ugly chicks', except in the minds of teenage boys and immature adult men.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
.. We should rewrite the children stories.

Typical JW .. wanting to re-write everything they dont agree with ... 😀

Originally posted by googlefudge
Actually he is right on the money. Not vacant at all.

Given religions in general have a pretty poor record of dealing with sexual abuse, including
yours and in recent times, making tasteless and humourless jokes about rape when
confronted with the abomination of the bible's treatment of rape victims is telling, and
indicative of what is wrong with you, and your religion.

actually we have a rather excellent record of abuse in comparison to other religions
and the general population as a whole, in fact in the last one hundred years there
has been less than ten cases than a handful of cases have been taken to court,
agreed that is a handful too many, never the less its less than the general populace
and any other registered demonstration, you might want to look at your facts and
figures before attempting to talk more unsubstantiated rubbish and you might like to
bitch to someone that cares.

In a press release dated November 21, 2007, Jehovah's Witnesses' Office of Public
Information stated: "In the United States, over 80,000 elders currently serve in over
12,300 congregations … During the last 100 years, only eleven elders have been
sued for child abuse in thirteen lawsuits filed in the United States; In seven of these
lawsuits against the elders, accusations against the Watchtower Society itself were
dismissed by the courts."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehovah%27s_Witnesses_and_child_sex_abuse

You will now inform the forum what percentage that is and compare it to any other
denomination and the general populace or are you feeling dumb enough already?

And seeing that you are in want of some serious education, i shall inform you that
the protestant denominations handle some 300 cases a year and the Catholics have
gone into their thousands. Sooo what were you saying, Mr opinionated bigmouth
dont know nuthin.

Originally posted by FMF
I've said nothing about "Cinderella", robbie. It's you who is now referring to "Cinderella" over and over again. I simply took exception to your puerile comments about girls getting raped. Rape is a heinous crime of sexual violence right up there with murder. It's not about 'pretty chicks' and ugly chicks', except in the minds of teenage boys and immature adult men.

tell someone that cares, i dont care what you think, do you understand?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
tell someone that cares, i dont care what you think, do you understand?

Its time for a thread on Child Abuse and the JWs.

Originally posted by Rajk999
Its time for a thread on Child Abuse and the JWs.

please see the text above, perhaps its time we had a thread on nominal Christians and
child abuse, you do after all have insurance claims against your churches of three
hundred per year, you did know that i suppose, more in fact than we've had in the last
one hundred years, but that's right, we've managed to cover them all up.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
tell someone that cares, i dont care what you think, do you understand?

Rape is a heinous and grotesque crime of sexual violence right up there alongside murder, robbie. It's not a laughing matter about whether "chicks" who get raped are pretty or ugly. You should be ashamed of yourself regardless of whether or not you care what I think.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
please see the text above.

Please see my new thread

Originally posted by Rajk999
Please see my new thread

i see nothing but emptiness.

Originally posted by FMF
Rape is a heinous and grotesque crime of sexual violence right up there alongside murder, robbie. It's not a laughing matter about whether "chicks" who get raped are pretty or ugly. You should be ashamed of yourself regardless of whether or not you care what I think.

soo is cutting goollies off with a rusty saw, but you make no mention of that, why not,
because you are uninterested in the fact that it was a frivolous piece of ribaldry, that is
why, you are content to paint a picture that was never intended, because that's all you
can do.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
soo is cutting gollies off with a rusty saw, but you make no mention of that, why not,
because you are uninterested in the fact that it was a frivolous piece of ribaldry, that is
why, you are content to paint a picture that was never intended, because that's all you
can do.

You "never intended" it to be "a frivolous piece of ribaldry" about girls getting raped? I But it was clearly intended to be exactly that. And I've called you on it. No amount of mentions of "Cinderella" or suggestions that I am "out to lunch" are going to disguise your "frivolous " attitude towards the worst kind of sexual violence against women and girls.

Originally posted by googlefudge
That's because you have your eyes shut.

And we get back to the part where you are still evading dealing with the fact that your bible
says that a women should be forced to marry her rapist.
You have said you would 'check this out' and 'get back to me' and you have done neither,
because there is no possible justification and you know it.

And btw ...[text shortened]... ahead, get back to me and explain how you claim the bible as a moral guide
to anything.

This is an example of Mosaic law that is not for Gentiles, but for the Jew. And it was written, what, 3500 years ago? This was a time when "women's rights" were virtually nonexistant. Women were not even second-class citizens, but more often seen as property. The best a young woman in those days could hope for was to be married and taken care of by her husband. A woman who had had sex without marrying the person involved was held below contempt, and her life from then on would be a tough one, for then no man would have her for a wife, and options for self-employment for women back then were minimal. She would end up as a prostitute, or begging in the streets, which was basically the same thing. Also ostracized by her family, she would probably starve, or at the very least, be homeless, and she certainly wouldn't last long in this state. Therefore, causing the attacker to marry the woman was seen as a benefit for the woman, saving her from a fate worse than death, and a detriment to the man, for it removed his choice. Big deal, you say? Well, no kidding. Men were first-class citizens, able to direct their own fates in the world, having no choice in wife removes choice from him, lowering his place; women were barely better than slaves to start out with.

And, again I say that Christ's teachings supercede Mosaic law, especially for Gentiles.

You know, this is why I didn't respond before now. I knew you would just take ANY argument I could make for this and minimalize it, while restating your original points again. Basically you're always right in your own mind and anyone who dares say you're wrong be damned. It's like metagaming theory. Act like an a-hole playing a game, and soon, no one will play with you. Unfortunately the internet gives an inexhaustible supply of people to not listen to because you're too busy spouting your own opinion (because after all, they can't possibly know what they're talking about, because of course, you do). This is why I can't debate atheists any more. Their arrogance is usually in greater supply than my patience.

Originally posted by googlefudge
I care about truth, something many theists claim but don't substantiate with action.

It matters to me if what I believe is true or not, true being an accurate representation of
reality, whatever that might be.

The best (only) way of determining truth is through the scientific method, using logic
reason and experimentation.

There is no eviden ...[text shortened]... perspective it's the theists thrashing around trying to justify their faith, and failing btw.

All I can say to this is: "Not sure if srs."

If indeed you do care about truth, and not only that it prove YOU right, the Bible is a bastion of truth in this horribly sinful world. Even if you do not take every word of it as truth, there is still lots and lots of truth to be found in it. You must think so, even just a little bit, because I see you making your arguments using biblical verses as backup. That shows me that you assume there is SOME truth to it.

If you are seriously on a search for truth as you claim, and not just looking for justification of your own ideas, then look towards the Bible. It holds eternal truth for man. Even you can come away with something worthwhile, if you look with an open heart.

Originally posted by Suzianne
All I can say to this is: "Not sure if srs."

If indeed you do care about truth, and not only that it prove YOU right, the Bible is a bastion of truth in this horribly sinful world. Even if you do not take every word of it as truth, there is still lots and lots of truth to be found in it. You must think so, even just a little bit, because I see you mak ...[text shortened]... th for man. Even you can come away with something worthwhile, if you look with an open heart.

Am serious, not kidding.

I don't claim, and it would be foolish to do so, that nothing in the bible is true, or moral.

However much isn't true, and much is certainly not moral.

I occasionally quote bible verses to people who believe in the bible to demonstrate what
they believe in is wrong, This doesn't mean I think what it says is true.

Why would I look at the bible for truth? it's a book, written by men thousands of years ago.
They didn't know a whole lot back then.

If something was true then it is true now, and so we can detect and test to see if it is true now.

This is what science does, it tests ideas to see if they stand up to evidence.

The bible is not a source of truth, because even if some things in it are right, there are many with no
backing and many that are plain false.

The flood being a prime example, it never happened, you know why, because we can check for evidence
for such an event, and we find none. And we can test to see if such an event corresponds with known laws
of physics, and it doesn't, and we can see if its possible for 8 people to build a wooden boat capable of
supporting them and at least 2 of every animal on the planet not capable of withstanding the flood and their
feed, as well as journeying all over the world to collect the animals. (which is not possible, don't believe me try it)

We can check the genetic record of both us and every other living creature to see if they got reduced to a
population of 2 a few thousand years ago, which they didn't.

We can find records of flood myths in many cultures around the world including many much older than the
one in the bible, which is what you would expect due to their being many real (but local and not world covering)
floods caused by monsoons and glacier melts and tsunamis and global sea level rise after the last ice age and
land dropping down into the sea due to tectonic shifts.

We can see these stories morph through history into the account in the bible.
It's just not true.

There is no evidence for it whatsoever, and their is mountains and mountains against it, and it contravenes the
laws of physics.

The 'great flood' didn't happen, and couldn't happen.

The bible is full of such preposterous and demonstrably wrong stories.

It is not a source of truth.

We find truth about the universe by experimentation and reason, the scientific method, we don't find it by reading
ancient fairy tales.

Look up from your dusty old book and explore the universe, it's fantastic.
Far more so than those primitive and ancient peoples thousands of years ago could have possibly imagined.