Originally posted by AgergI guess then we can agree that we are both of average intelligence and
[b]I agree I do appear stupid at times. Sometimes I appear like a genius....
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just have points of diagreements.
Originally posted by googlefudgeAll the atheists here keep defending their point of view like a drowning man defending his last breath of air.
The reason for valuing what JC said (other than as a philosophical exercise) is because he is
purported to be the son of god (however you define that).
I don't believe in god.
Thus I am unlikely to believe he was the son of god.
Or that the bible was divinely inspired.
Because I don't believe in god.
Because I see no compelling reason or ...[text shortened]... rally reason any of them and I'm not even especially good at it by today's
standards.
Just let me ask you this.
What, exactly, are you getting out of the idea that God does not exist? I mean, just exactly what IS your reward? Justified arrogance? A secure feeling of being "right"? Demonstrating your perfect logic? A feeling that you are master of all you survey? What?
Originally posted by googlefudgeThey may not have known a whole lot, by your standards, but they knew God. Something very few of today's Christians can say.
Till then, they are the words of people living thousands of years ago who didn't know a whole lot.
On the face of it I can out morally reason any of them and I'm not even especially good at it by today's
standards.
As far as your second sentence, I'm not wholly convinced. I haven't seen a single atheist in these forums "out morally reason" anyone from the Bible. Ever. You may think you have, but no, I'm sorry, you've all fallen short.
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Originally posted by SuzianneI care about truth, something many theists claim but don't substantiate with action.
All the atheists here keep defending their point of view like a drowning man defending his last breath of air.
Just let me ask you this.
What, exactly, are you getting out of the idea that God does not exist? I mean, just exactly what IS your reward? Justified arrogance? A secure feeling of being "right"? Demonstrating your perfect logic? A feeling that you are master of all you survey? What?
It matters to me if what I believe is true or not, true being an accurate representation of
reality, whatever that might be.
The best (only) way of determining truth is through the scientific method, using logic
reason and experimentation.
There is no evidence for god or god's, there is no benefit to be gained in understanding
the world by postulating god, or gods.
And every time god has been postulated as an explanation it has not only failed spectacularly
but has held up the discovery of how it actually works.
If you care about truth, then you should constantly test your ideas and beliefs and knowledge
to make sure they are true.
If they are true, then they will pass the tests, if not then they were not worth having in the first
place.
And secularism is growing strongly btw, hardly grasping for air.
From our perspective it's the theists thrashing around trying to justify their faith, and failing btw.
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Originally posted by SuzianneThat's because you have your eyes shut.
They may not have known a whole lot, by your standards, but they knew God. Something very few of today's Christians can say.
As far as your second sentence, I'm not wholly convinced. I haven't seen a single atheist in these forums "out morally reason" anyone from the Bible. Ever. You may [b]think you have, but no, I'm sorry, you've all fallen short.[/b]
And we get back to the part where you are still evading dealing with the fact that your bible
says that a women should be forced to marry her rapist.
You have said you would 'check this out' and 'get back to me' and you have done neither,
because there is no possible justification and you know it.
And btw if you claim that the old testament doesn't count then I will refer you to the quote
where JC says that the message of the OT has changed not a jot.
The bible supports murder, rape, slavery, incest, genocide, bigotry, and a simplistic moral
code that is not up to the task of dealing with the complexities of the real world.
So, please, go ahead, get back to me and explain how you claim the bible as a moral guide
to anything.
Originally posted by googlefudgeThere is nowhere in the Holy Bible that actually says that a women should
That's because you have your eyes shut.
And we get back to the part where you are still evading dealing with the fact that your bible
says that a women should be forced to marry her rapist.
You have said you would 'check this out' and 'get back to me' and you have done neither,
because there is no possible justification and you know it.
And btw ...[text shortened]... ahead, get back to me and explain how you claim the bible as a moral guide
to anything.
be forced to marry her rapist. That is your personal interpretation because
of your evil mind.
Originally posted by RJHindsTry Dueteronomy 22:28-29
There is nowhere in the Holy Bible that actually says that a women should
be forced to marry her rapist. That is your personal interpretation because
of your evil mind.
If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay her father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.
Originally posted by Proper Knobyes but there is no mandate that the victim nor her father need comply, all the force of
Try Dueteronomy 22:28-29If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay her father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.
the law is against the perpetrator of the heinous crime.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieA child who speaks dishonorably of their father or mother gets put to death yet a man who rapes a virgin can marry her.
yes but there is no mandate that the victim nor her father need comply, all the force of
the law is against the perpetrator of the heinous crime.