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Originally posted by yo its meNo. There isn't.
@HOH yes there is
Why do you feel there is a God? What brought you to this belief? Give me a well grounded, reasonably thought out argument for why God exists and I'll cease refering to you as Captain Assjack from here on out. If you tell me that "He just does" or something equally inane, I swear I'll beat you with your own spine.
I am not even asking you for physical proof. I'm willing to accept a valid, reasoned argument for why God must exist even in the abscence of us being able to see him or interact with him in any way.
Originally posted by Hand of HecateSince you asked so nicely 😉 I'll take the time to articulate why I'm so sure God is real;
No. There isn't.
Why do you feel there is a God? What brought you to this belief? Give me a well grounded, reasonably thought out argument for why God exists and I'll cease refering to you as Captain Assjack from here on out. If you tell me that "He just does" or something equally inane, I swear I'll beat you with your own spine.
I am ...[text shortened]... i] exist even in the abscence of us being able to see him or interact with him in any way.
#I look around me and I know for certian that there's no way this is all an axcident, it was all very percisesly created. Here is a scientists explination of how balanced and exact it all is- http://www.firstscience.com/home/articles/big-theories/recipe-for-the-universe-just-six-numbers_1230.html
#When I felt alone, a long time ago when something happened, which I'm not about to discuss I felt the emptyness of what it would be like to not exist and I knew I didn't want to be alone, in my soul. Perhaps this bit sounds whimisical, but this is the best I can explain it.
#The more I understand the Bible the more it makes sense.
#I've met people who have a relationship with God and I beleive them to be genuine.
#Dispite my upbringing I have survived and so have my siblings I beleive this is becasue my mum prayed for us.
Originally posted by trev33What do you mean? it's a massive book, or collection of books. I've not understood even a small portion of it. What I have taken the time to understand is mainly the stories which describe human nature, how we forever fail, and it makes sense that we need God to really get anywhere.
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Originally posted by yo its meThis isn't an argument. These are your feelings. At the risk of winning your debate for you an example of what I was looking for follows.
Since you asked so nicely 😉 I'll take the time to articulate why I'm so sure God is real;
#I look around me and I know for certian that there's no way this is all an axcident, it was all very percisesly created. Here is a scientists explination of how balanced and exact it all is- http://www.firstscience.com/home/articles/big-theories/recipe-for-the-u ng I have survived and so have my siblings I beleive this is becasue my mum prayed for us.
I suggest your read about Berkley and his attempt to develop a valid argument around the existence of God. It's been some time, but, basically Berkely argued that the material universe did not exist, that an omniscient God must exist and perceive everything at all times.
A poor summary of Berkley's argument:
- Our ideas and perceptions must have a cause
- Our perceptions do not depend upon our own will so must have some other cause
- Our perceptions of physical objects are not caused by the objects themselves as matter doesn't exist
- Perceptions cannot be caused by imagination as imagination has no power or agency
- Therefore, our perceptions must be caused by God
If this seems like a leap of faith, Berkley postulated that our perceptions are always constant and incredibly complex. This must lead us to believe that an incredibly powerful God fashioned our perceived universe with his mind. Furthermore, he argued that our perceived universe was maintained by a mind so unfathomly powerful as to make all scientific experiments produce consistant results.
Basically you don't exist, but. God does. Do you accept Berkley's premises? Has he come to a valid conclusion? If so, how does Berkely's argument support or undermine the Bible/Christianity?
Originally posted by yo its meWhy did you not understand it? Did you not take the time to understand it or is not all of it important?
What do you mean? it's a massive book, or collection of books. I've not understood even a small portion of it. What I have taken the time to understand is mainly the stories which describe human nature, how we forever fail, and it makes sense that we need God to really get anywhere.
Originally posted by Bosse de NageIt means that you South Africans are in deep doo doo if your darkies figure out there is no heaven and no consequences to killing whitey wholesale. Rawanda's going to look like a tea party after they finish BBQ y'all over a pile of burning tires.
What does this mean?
Spoiler Alert! Saying 'there is no God' is every bit as meaningless as saying 'there is a God'.
