Originally posted by yo its me
Since you asked so nicely I'll take the time to articulate why I'm so sure God is real;
#I look around me and I know for certian that there's no way this is all an axcident, it was all very percisesly created. Here is a scientists explination of how balanced and exact it all is- http://www.firstscience.com/home/articles/big-theories/recipe-for-the-u ng I have survived and so have my siblings I beleive this is becasue my mum prayed for us.
This isn't an argument. These are your feelings. At the risk of winning your debate for you an example of what I was looking for follows.
I suggest your read about Berkley and his attempt to develop a valid argument around the existence of God. It's been some time, but, basically Berkely argued that the material universe did not exist, that an omniscient God must exist and perceive everything at all times.
A poor summary of Berkley's argument:
- Our ideas and perceptions must have a cause
- Our perceptions do not depend upon our own will so must have some other cause
- Our perceptions of physical objects are not caused by the objects themselves as matter doesn't exist
- Perceptions cannot be caused by imagination as imagination has no power or agency
- Therefore, our perceptions must be caused by God
If this seems like a leap of faith, Berkley postulated that our perceptions are always constant and incredibly complex. This must lead us to believe that an incredibly powerful God fashioned our perceived universe with his mind. Furthermore, he argued that our perceived universe was maintained by a mind so unfathomly powerful as to make all scientific experiments produce consistant results.
Basically you don't exist, but. God does. Do you accept Berkley's premises? Has he come to a valid conclusion? If so, how does Berkely's argument support or undermine the Bible/Christianity?