11 Sep '10 15:24>2 edits
apparently, i say apparently because i had to check it wasn't a dream, Galvo and myself were being, 'called out' on the issue of whether one needs to join Jehovahs witnesses organisation to get into heaven, a question which initially struck me as being silly for reason cited in another thread. We objected on the basis that scripturally its almost impossible to say who gets to heaven, but it was not good enough and the demands for a yes or no answer were met with various protestations on our part, for that very reason, eventually leading to us being termed evasive and dishonest. Well for those who are honestly interested, let us examine one or two biblical truths and hopefully one may draw their own conclusions. It is not an attempt of course to redeem our name, for that would be to justify the accusation, but to explore certain principles which have a bearing on the subject.
firstly, no one went to heaven before Jesus Christ, yes or no?
(John 3:13) . . .Moreover, no man has ascended into heaven but he that descended from heaven, the Son of man. . .
(Acts 2:34) . . .Actually David did not ascend to the heavens, but he himself says, ‘Jehovah said to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand,
(Hebrews 9:8) . . .Thus the holy spirit makes it plain that the way into the holy place had not yet been made manifest while the first tent was standing. . . (a reference to the holy place heaven itself, not the actual temple or tabernacle as it was known)
therefore, what are we to conclude from the above verses? that no one went to heaven prior to Jesus Christ, that therefore, not all good persons go to heaven, as David, who was termed the anointed of God, clearly did not. Some may try to find fault with Christ's words, in the case of Enoch, Moses, Elijah, but there is no scriptural evidence to state that these entered heaven, indeed, Christ's very own words would negate this.
in summary, no one went to heaven prior to Jesus Christ, therefore not all good people go to heaven.
firstly, no one went to heaven before Jesus Christ, yes or no?
(John 3:13) . . .Moreover, no man has ascended into heaven but he that descended from heaven, the Son of man. . .
(Acts 2:34) . . .Actually David did not ascend to the heavens, but he himself says, ‘Jehovah said to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand,
(Hebrews 9:8) . . .Thus the holy spirit makes it plain that the way into the holy place had not yet been made manifest while the first tent was standing. . . (a reference to the holy place heaven itself, not the actual temple or tabernacle as it was known)
therefore, what are we to conclude from the above verses? that no one went to heaven prior to Jesus Christ, that therefore, not all good persons go to heaven, as David, who was termed the anointed of God, clearly did not. Some may try to find fault with Christ's words, in the case of Enoch, Moses, Elijah, but there is no scriptural evidence to state that these entered heaven, indeed, Christ's very own words would negate this.
in summary, no one went to heaven prior to Jesus Christ, therefore not all good people go to heaven.