Originally posted by @secondsonI think it shows great integrity to question things about one's own religion. Take for example the whole 'burning in hell for all eternity thing.' I'm more concerned about the mindset of Christians willing to capitulate to such an abhorrent doctrine.
Is that what you think?
I guess that means you think dragging through the mud Christians with critical, derogatory and insulting remarks on every page a substantive discussion.
[b],..even about his own faith."
Is that so? I have as yet read from divegeester a quote from the scriptures in defense of a single statement of faith.
Just saying ...[text shortened]... d, and has instead chosen to ridicule me.
Obviously you just jumped in without reading first.[/b]
Originally posted by @secondsonThe gospel of Christ is the teachings and commandments of Christ which you ridicule
You defend a false gospel.
You ridicule the brothers of Christ.
Clearly you place works above faith.
Yet you hypocritically proclaim a false Christ.
Read Isaiah 44:6 and Revelation 22:13 and get back to me after you figure out what you're talking about.
Brothers in Christ are all those who follow Christ that means follow his commandments.
Christ said God was his father. God said Christ was his son.
I dont need to know what Isaiah said.
Tell me what Jesus Christ said if you think you know Christ.
Are you a sheep of Christ whose eternal life is assured ?
Or is your eternal assurance of salvation based on faith only.
Faith without works is dead.
BOTH FAITH AND WORKS ARE REQUIRED
All the Apostles said it but your church cherry picks doctrines and you swallow it like fool
Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-dukeIt isn't integrity to question the truths taught in the Word of God. It's called faithlessness, or perhaps just plain ignorance, or more often than not the absence of the Spirit of Truth in the heart.
I think it shows great integrity to question things about one's own religion. Take for example the whole 'burning in hell for all eternity thing.' I'm more concerned about the mindset of Christians willing to capitulate to such an abhorrent doctrine.
So what you're saying is is that the doctrine of eternal punishment isn't taught in the scriptures.
How is it a capitulation to believe what the Bible clearly teaches?
Originally posted by @secondsonIs there a difference between eternal punishment and eternal torment?
It isn't integrity to question the truths taught in the Word of God. It's called faithlessness, or perhaps just plain ignorance, or more often than not the absence of the Spirit of Truth in the heart.
So what you're saying is is that the doctrine of eternal punishment isn't taught in the scriptures.
How is it a capitulation to believe what the Bible clearly teaches?
Originally posted by @rajk999"I dont need to know what Isaiah said."
The gospel of Christ is the teachings and commandments of Christ which you ridicule
Brothers in Christ are all those who follow Christ that means follow his commandments.
Christ said God was his father. God said Christ was his son.
I dont need to know what Isaiah said.
Tell me what Jesus Christ said if you think you know Christ.
Are you a sheep of Ch ...[text shortened]...
All the Apostles said it but your church cherry picks doctrines and you swallow it like fool
Isaiah 44:6 is God speaking. Revelation 22:13 is God speaking. You are glaringly ignorant of scripture apparently.
It is you that cherry picks. And again you have put on display your hypocrisy.
"Tell me what Jesus Christ said if you think you know Christ."
Luke 24:27
And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.
Luke 24:44
And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
But you don't need to know what Isaiah said. Right? Not even chapter 53 I suppose. I pity you your willful blind ignorance of the scriptures.
Originally posted by @rajk999Is there a difference? Does it matter?
Is there a difference between eternal punishment and eternal torment?
Outer darkness. Eternal hunger and thirst and no rest. No light. No love. No hope. No faith. Only the memory, and the eternal wrath of God abiding forever and ever. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Revelation 20:13-15
And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Originally posted by @secondsonThis is what i mean by poor English comprehension.
Is there a difference? Does it matter?
Outer darkness. Eternal hunger and thirst and no rest. No light. No love. No hope. No faith. Only the memory, and the eternal wrath of God abiding forever and ever. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Revelation 20:13-15
And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up t ...[text shortened]... death.
And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Punishment and torment ... no difference to you
Originally posted by @secondsonDid Jesus say he was God?
[b]"I dont need to know what Isaiah said."
Isaiah 44:6 is God speaking. Revelation 22:13 is God speaking. You are glaringly ignorant of scripture apparently.
It is you that cherry picks. And again you have put on display your hypocrisy.
"Tell me what Jesus Christ said if you think you know Christ."
Luke 24:27
And beginning at Moses ...[text shortened]... Right? Not even chapter 53 I suppose. I pity you your willful blind ignorance of the scriptures.[/b]
Did Jesus say he was equal to God?
Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-dukeI think Christians who believe in that (and I don’t know if an eternity in hell or annihilationism await the damned) realize a spiritual realm exists that they know virtually nothing about and that they can trust a completely holy, just, merciful and omniscient God. I know I do.
I think it shows great integrity to question things about one's own religion. Take for example the whole 'burning in hell for all eternity thing.' I'm more concerned about the mindset of Christians willing to capitulate to such an abhorrent doctrine.
Originally posted by @secondsonYou quote for example Revelation 20:13-15 (lake of fire) but your argument is self-defeating as you are referencing a part of the bible particularly rife with metaphor and symbolism. Surely you see that?
It isn't integrity to question the truths taught in the Word of God. It's called faithlessness, or perhaps just plain ignorance, or more often than not the absence of the Spirit of Truth in the heart.
So what you're saying is is that the doctrine of eternal punishment isn't taught in the scriptures.
How is it a capitulation to believe what the Bible clearly teaches?
Originally posted by @romans1009This 'completely holy, just, merciful and omniscient God' doesn't put in much of an appearance on the OT.
I think Christians who believe in that (and I don’t know if an eternity in hell or annihilationism await the damned) realize a spiritual realm exists that they know virtually nothing about and that they can trust a completely holy, just, merciful and omniscient God. I know I do.