Spirituality
08 Jan 18
I need help from theists understanding how this works.
Because when I hear this phrase now, it translates in my brain to, "your interpretation [of a certain passage] is wrong; here's mine, which is right."
Theists, is this all you mean when you use this phrase, or do you believe deep down that the Bible really does have a 'perspective'?
Originally posted by @bigdoggproblemThat's the problem. The liberals like to play the interpretation game.
I need help from theists understanding how this works.
Because when I hear this phrase now, it translates in my brain to, "your interpretation [of a certain passage] is wrong; here's mine, which is right."
Theists, is this all you mean when you use this phrase, or do you believe deep down that the Bible really does have a 'perspective'?
As long as you play that game the words in the Bible are completely without meaning.
A perfect example of this is that God instructed Israel to put to death men who have sex with outher men.
I say that this means God at one time instructed Israel to put men who have sex with other men to death. This is God the Father. Suzi claims this is just my interpretation.
Originally posted by @eladarEveryone must play the interpretation game. One cannot read and react to the reading without that. You may be too deluded to realize that you are playing; that's all.
That's the problem. The liberals like to play the interpretation game.
As long as you play that game the words in the Bible are completely without meaning.
A perfect example of this is that God instructed Israel to put to death men who have sex with outher men.
I say that this means God at one time instructed Israel to put men who have sex with other men to death. This is God the Father. Suzi claims this is just my interpretation.
"As long as you play the game, the words in the Bible are without meaning" <-- bullsh|t. Substantiate this, if you can.
My reading of your debate with Suzi is simply that she isn't interested in debating the Mosaic law with you. Your insistence on reading more into it than that is your problem.
08 Jan 18
Originally posted by @bigdoggproblemYou’re talking about personal interpretation here?
I need help from theists understanding how this works.
Because when I hear this phrase now, it translates in my brain to, "your interpretation [of a certain passage] is wrong; here's mine, which is right."
Theists, is this all you mean when you use this phrase, or do you believe deep down that the Bible really does have a 'perspective'?
08 Jan 18
Originally posted by @divegeesterYes. Is there another kind?
You’re talking about personal interpretation here?
08 Jan 18
Originally posted by @bigdoggproblemI think there is, or may be. I would not classify an academic interpretation carried out by a team of specialists, the same way I would say my own interpretation. I use my own interpretation a lot but I don’t know if I align with academic interpretation or not as I don’t care really.
Yes. Is there another kind?
Originally posted by @divegeesterFair enough.
I think there is, or may be. I would not classify an academic interpretation carried out by a team of specialists, the same way I would say my own interpretation. I use my own interpretation a lot but I don’t know if I align with academic interpretation or not as I don’t care really.
But once team-based interpretations are affirmed by individuals, they are broken down to that once more.
08 Jan 18
Originally posted by @bigdoggproblemI’m very comfortable with my own perspective and interpretation of biblical text where the subject matter is one such as eternal suffering. It is more important to me to hold fast to my own morality and be wrong, than to abdicate conscience and swallow something abhorrent.
Fair enough.
But once team-based interpretations are affirmed by individuals, they are broken down to that once more.
Is this the kind of discourse you are looking for with your OP?
08 Jan 18
Originally posted by @bigdoggproblemFunny, you call it a debate.
[b] Everyone must play the interpretation game. One cannot read and react to the reading without that. You may be too deluded to realize that you are playing; that's all.
"As long as you play the game, the words in the Bible are without meaning" <-- bullsh|t. Substantiate this, if you can.
My reading of your debate with Suzi is simply that ...[text shortened]... ting the Mosaic law with you. Your insistence on reading more into it than that is your problem.[/b]
There has been zero debate over the Mosaic Law. I suppose that just goes to show what happens when one adopts the it is just interpretation point of view. There is no need for debate because words are meaningless.
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Originally posted by @bigdoggproblemPaul wrote about 13 books of the 27 New Testament books.
He had a lot of revelation from God.
Paul said that "we" know in part.
" ... now we know in part..." (See 1 Cor. 13:12)
"We" must include himself as an apostle of Christ and other apostles.
He says "we" prophesy in part too.
"For we know in part, and we prophesy in part;" (v.9)
Paul speaks of the arrival someday of the complete discloser of God.
"But when that which is complete comes, that which is in part will be rendered useless." (v.10)
Interpretation is not useless now.
But our interpretations are in part and will one day be rendered useless in the presence of God's full revelation.
He speaks of love being of the utmost importance even in our attempts to explain the mysteries of the Gospel. And if we are without the divine love in our intepretations, we are spiritually immature.
"When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I thought as a child, I reasoned as a child; since I have become a man, I have done away with childish things." (v11)
The Christians explanation should be tempered with love for God and for men. Divine love is greatest.
"For now we see in a mirror obscurely; but at that time face to face;
now I know in part, but at that time I will fully know even as also I was fully known.
Now there abide faith, hope, love, these three; and the greatest of these is love." (vs.11-13)
Cont. below.
09 Jan 18
Originally posted by @divegeesterMainly, I'm looking for 2 answers.
I’m very comfortable with my own perspective and interpretation of biblical text where the subject matter is one such as eternal suffering. It is more important to me to hold fast to my own morality and be wrong, than to abdicate conscience and swallow something abhorrent.
Is this the kind of discourse you are looking for with your OP?
1) Do you think there is such a thing as a "Biblical perspective" - is it a phrase you would introduce into a discussion?
2) If so, how can that be differentiated from all personal interpretations?
09 Jan 18
Originally posted by @bigdoggproblemThat is what leads you to hate God. I am serious. It is simply a result of the evil in your heart.
I disagree. "Meaning" is something that is housed in a mind. Interpretation is a process of reading and determining a meaning. It IMPARTS meaning, rather than draining it.
09 Jan 18
Originally posted by @eladarSay what?! 🙄
That is what leads you to hate God. I am serious. It is simply a result of the evil in your heart.
How does that follow from anything I said? It's like you get tired of talking to people and spin the random religious cliche wheel and just post what you land on.