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    08 Jan '18 05:23
    I need help from theists understanding how this works.

    Because when I hear this phrase now, it translates in my brain to, "your interpretation [of a certain passage] is wrong; here's mine, which is right."

    Theists, is this all you mean when you use this phrase, or do you believe deep down that the Bible really does have a 'perspective'?
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    08 Jan '18 05:42
    Originally posted by @bigdoggproblem
    I need help from theists understanding how this works.

    Because when I hear this phrase now, it translates in my brain to, "your interpretation [of a certain passage] is wrong; here's mine, which is right."

    Theists, is this all you mean when you use this phrase, or do you believe deep down that the Bible really does have a 'perspective'?
    That's the problem. The liberals like to play the interpretation game.

    As long as you play that game the words in the Bible are completely without meaning.

    A perfect example of this is that God instructed Israel to put to death men who have sex with outher men.

    I say that this means God at one time instructed Israel to put men who have sex with other men to death. This is God the Father. Suzi claims this is just my interpretation.
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    08 Jan '18 07:58
    Originally posted by @eladar
    That's the problem. The liberals like to play the interpretation game.

    As long as you play that game the words in the Bible are completely without meaning.

    A perfect example of this is that God instructed Israel to put to death men who have sex with outher men.

    I say that this means God at one time instructed Israel to put men who have sex with other men to death. This is God the Father. Suzi claims this is just my interpretation.
    Everyone must play the interpretation game. One cannot read and react to the reading without that. You may be too deluded to realize that you are playing; that's all.

    "As long as you play the game, the words in the Bible are without meaning" <-- bullsh|t. Substantiate this, if you can.

    My reading of your debate with Suzi is simply that she isn't interested in debating the Mosaic law with you. Your insistence on reading more into it than that is your problem.
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    08 Jan '18 08:10
    Originally posted by @bigdoggproblem
    I need help from theists understanding how this works.

    Because when I hear this phrase now, it translates in my brain to, "your interpretation [of a certain passage] is wrong; here's mine, which is right."

    Theists, is this all you mean when you use this phrase, or do you believe deep down that the Bible really does have a 'perspective'?
    You’re talking about personal interpretation here?
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    08 Jan '18 08:12
    Originally posted by @divegeester
    You’re talking about personal interpretation here?
    Yes. Is there another kind?
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    08 Jan '18 08:28
    Originally posted by @bigdoggproblem
    Yes. Is there another kind?
    I think there is, or may be. I would not classify an academic interpretation carried out by a team of specialists, the same way I would say my own interpretation. I use my own interpretation a lot but I don’t know if I align with academic interpretation or not as I don’t care really.
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    08 Jan '18 08:36
    Originally posted by @divegeester
    I think there is, or may be. I would not classify an academic interpretation carried out by a team of specialists, the same way I would say my own interpretation. I use my own interpretation a lot but I don’t know if I align with academic interpretation or not as I don’t care really.
    Fair enough.

    But once team-based interpretations are affirmed by individuals, they are broken down to that once more.
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    08 Jan '18 10:04
    Originally posted by @bigdoggproblem
    Fair enough.

    But once team-based interpretations are affirmed by individuals, they are broken down to that once more.
    I’m very comfortable with my own perspective and interpretation of biblical text where the subject matter is one such as eternal suffering. It is more important to me to hold fast to my own morality and be wrong, than to abdicate conscience and swallow something abhorrent.

    Is this the kind of discourse you are looking for with your OP?
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    08 Jan '18 11:16
    Originally posted by @bigdoggproblem
    [b] Everyone must play the interpretation game. One cannot read and react to the reading without that. You may be too deluded to realize that you are playing; that's all.

    "As long as you play the game, the words in the Bible are without meaning" <-- bullsh|t. Substantiate this, if you can.

    My reading of your debate with Suzi is simply that ...[text shortened]... ting the Mosaic law with you. Your insistence on reading more into it than that is your problem.[/b]
    Funny, you call it a debate.

    There has been zero debate over the Mosaic Law. I suppose that just goes to show what happens when one adopts the it is just interpretation point of view. There is no need for debate because words are meaningless.
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    Originally posted by @bigdoggproblem
    Paul wrote about 13 books of the 27 New Testament books.
    He had a lot of revelation from God.

    Paul said that "we" know in part.
    " ... now we know in part..." (See 1 Cor. 13:12)

    "We" must include himself as an apostle of Christ and other apostles.

    He says "we" prophesy in part too.
    "For we know in part, and we prophesy in part;" (v.9)

    Paul speaks of the arrival someday of the complete discloser of God.
    "But when that which is complete comes, that which is in part will be rendered useless." (v.10)

    Interpretation is not useless now.
    But our interpretations are in part and will one day be rendered useless in the presence of God's full revelation.

    He speaks of love being of the utmost importance even in our attempts to explain the mysteries of the Gospel. And if we are without the divine love in our intepretations, we are spiritually immature.
    "When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I thought as a child, I reasoned as a child; since I have become a man, I have done away with childish things." (v11)

    The Christians explanation should be tempered with love for God and for men. Divine love is greatest.
    "For now we see in a mirror obscurely; but at that time face to face;

    now I know in part, but at that time I will fully know even as also I was fully known.

    Now there abide faith, hope, love, these three; and the greatest of these is love." (vs.11-13)


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    09 Jan '18 01:33
    Originally posted by @divegeester
    I’m very comfortable with my own perspective and interpretation of biblical text where the subject matter is one such as eternal suffering. It is more important to me to hold fast to my own morality and be wrong, than to abdicate conscience and swallow something abhorrent.

    Is this the kind of discourse you are looking for with your OP?
    Mainly, I'm looking for 2 answers.

    1) Do you think there is such a thing as a "Biblical perspective" - is it a phrase you would introduce into a discussion?

    2) If so, how can that be differentiated from all personal interpretations?
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    09 Jan '18 01:37
    Originally posted by @eladar
    There is no need for debate because words are meaningless.
    I disagree. "Meaning" is something that is housed in a mind. Interpretation is a process of reading and determining a meaning. It IMPARTS meaning, rather than draining it.
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    09 Jan '18 02:49
    Originally posted by @bigdoggproblem
    I disagree. "Meaning" is something that is housed in a mind. Interpretation is a process of reading and determining a meaning. It IMPARTS meaning, rather than draining it.
    That is what leads you to hate God. I am serious. It is simply a result of the evil in your heart.
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    09 Jan '18 04:23
    Originally posted by @eladar
    That is what leads you to hate God. I am serious. It is simply a result of the evil in your heart.
    Say what?! 🙄

    How does that follow from anything I said? It's like you get tired of talking to people and spin the random religious cliche wheel and just post what you land on.
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    Originally posted by @bigdoggproblem
    Say what?! 🙄

    How does that follow from anything I said? It's like you get tired of talking to people and spin the random religious cliche wheel and just post what you land on.
    The way you see things is based on what is in your heart. The way you see things makes the word of God meaningless. This is the work of evil.
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