1. Zugzwang
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    http://theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/10/greek-orthodox-nuns-freed-syrian-rebel-captors-qatar-lebanon

    'Greek Orthodox nuns arrive in Syrian capital after release by rebel captors'
    --Martin Chulov (10 March 2014)

    "'We were treated well', said Mother Agiah of her captors ...'They were
    very sweet with us. We were not bothered.'"
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    17 Mar '14 21:33
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    http://theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/10/greek-orthodox-nuns-freed-syrian-rebel-captors-qatar-lebanon

    'Greek Orthodox nuns arrive in Syrian capital after release by rebel captors'
    --Martin Chulov (10 March 2014)

    "'We were treated well', said Mother Agiah of her captors ...'They were
    very sweet with us. We were not bothered.'"
    You left out this part:

    Another nun, apparently too weak to walk, was carried across the border by soldiers.

    If this is what you call Islamic humanity toward Christians, then I want no part of it.

    Here is another part of the report:

    Thirteen Greek Orthodox nuns and their three maids, held in captivity for more than three months by a Syrian rebel group affiliated to al-Qaida, have arrived back in Damascus. They were freed as part of a deal in which 153 female prisoners of the Assad regime were also released.

    So is kidnapping the nuns and holding them captive for over 3 months an example of Islamic humanity toward Christians? Or is the fact they did not beat or rape the nuns during those 3 months they held them captive what you call Islamist humanity to Christians?

    If that is what you call showing humanity to Christians, then I must be a Saint by your standards.
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    17 Mar '14 21:53
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    You left out this part:

    [b]Another nun, apparently too weak to walk, was carried across the border by soldiers.


    If this is what you call Islamic humanity toward Christians, then I want no part of it.

    Here is another part of the report:

    Thirteen Greek Orthodox nuns and their three maids, held in captivity for more than three months by a Syr ...[text shortened]... that is what you call showing humanity to Christians, then I must be a Saint by your standards.
    Sounds like the nuns enjoyed the experience.
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    17 Mar '14 21:55
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    You left out this part:

    [b]Another nun, apparently too weak to walk, was carried across the border by soldiers.


    If this is what you call Islamic humanity toward Christians, then I want no part of it.

    Here is another part of the report:

    Thirteen Greek Orthodox nuns and their three maids, held in captivity for more than three months by a Syr ...[text shortened]... that is what you call showing humanity to Christians, then I must be a Saint by your standards.
    *chomp*
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    17 Mar '14 22:253 edits
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    You left out this part:

    [b]Another nun, apparently too weak to walk, was carried across the border by soldiers.


    If this is what you call Islamic humanity toward Christians, then I want no part of it.

    Here is another part of the report:

    Thirteen Greek Orthodox nuns and their three maids, held in captivity for more than three months by a Syr ...[text shortened]... that is what you call showing humanity to Christians, then I must be a Saint by your standards.
    Obviously, being held captive is not an enjoyable experience for anyone.
    I don't believe that required any explanation.

    'You left out this part:'
    --RJHinds

    It's in the article that I cited. Not being Grampy Bobby, I don't believe that
    I had to cut-and-paste the whole text when everyone could use the link.

    "'Another nun, apparently too weak to walk, was carried across the border
    by soldiers.'"

    We don't know why this Christian nun was 'apparently too weak to walk'.
    RJHinds seems to presume that it must be because she was brutally treated
    by her Islamist captors. If that's true, however, then wouldn't it be likely
    that at least one other nun also would be 'apparently too weak to walk'?
    Perhaps this nun already had a health problem affecting her ability to walk
    and she could not receive her usual medical treatment during her captivity.
    That's not good, but it's not as bad as RJHind seems to presume.

    'Or is the fact they did not beat or rape the nuns during those 3 months...'
    --RJHinds

    Wouldn't RJHinds have expected the Christian nuns to be beaten or raped?

    "If that is what you call showing humanity to Christians..."
    --RJHinds

    I referred to some Christian nuns who seem to believe they were humanely
    treated by their Islamist captors. That's their judgment based on their
    personal experiences, and why should I dispute it?

    "...then I must be a Saint by your standards."
    --RJHinds

    I doubt RJHinds would ever be considered a 'Saint' by anyone's standards.
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    17 Mar '14 22:48
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    Obviously, being held captive is not an enjoyable experience for anyone.
    I don't believe that required any explanation.

    'You left out this part:'
    --RJHinds

    It's in the article that I cited. Not being Grampy Bobby, I don't believe that
    I had to cut-and-paste the whole text when everyone could use the link.

    "'Another nun, apparently too weak to ...[text shortened]... dards."
    --RJHinds

    I doubt RJHinds would ever be considered a 'Saint' by anyone's standards.
    Nuns are not used to being humanely treated. So I doubt if any normal person would have made such a statement because of being held captive and then released after 2 months.

    I don't claim to be a saint, but I am certainly much more humane than those Muslim terrorists who took those Christian women captive.
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    17 Mar '14 23:09
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    I don't claim to be a saint, but I am certainly much more humane than those Muslim terrorists who took those Christian women captive.
    Why does the comparison need to be between you and a terrorist? Shouldn't criminals and terrorists be compared to criminal and terrorists, and shouldn't you, a law abiding, God fearing, community member, parent and Christian ~ and your humanity ~ be compared to the humanity of a law abiding, God fearing, community member, parent and Muslim? I don't see how comparing yourself to a terrorist makes any sense or deepens understanding of this topic in any way.
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    17 Mar '14 23:10
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    Nuns are not used to being humanely treated. So I doubt if any normal person would have made such a statement because of being held captive and then released after 2 months.

    I don't claim to be a saint, but I am certainly much more humane than those Muslim terrorists who took those Christian women captive.
    "Nuns are not used to being humanely treated."
    --RJHinds

    If RJHinds believes that Christians nuns are routinely *not* being 'humanely
    treated', whom would he blame for it? The Christian church authorities?

    "So I doubt if any normal person would have made such a statement..."
    --RJHinds

    Apart from RJHinds's apparently pejorative insinuation that a nun's not
    a 'normal person' (in terms of her mental health?), we cannot know exactly
    how a 'normal' Christian woman would have responded in that situation.

    Syria's civil war is an extremely brutal conflict, with evidently many atrocities
    on both sides. In this case, the Islamists seemed comparatively humane.
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    17 Mar '14 23:222 edits
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    http://theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/10/greek-orthodox-nuns-freed-syrian-rebel-captors-qatar-lebanon

    'Greek Orthodox nuns arrive in Syrian capital after release by rebel captors'
    --Martin Chulov (10 March 2014)

    "'We were treated well', said Mother Agiah of her captors ...'They were
    very sweet with us. We were not bothered.'"
    So they were not beaten, raped, and then gunned down?

    Well done!! This shows progress. 😵
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    17 Mar '14 23:25
    Originally posted by whodey
    So they were not beaten, raped, and then gunned down?

    Well done!! This shows progress. 😵
    The woman said the guys were sweet ..😉
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    17 Mar '14 23:50
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    "Nuns are not used to being humanely treated."
    --RJHinds

    If RJHinds believes that Christians nuns are routinely *not* being 'humanely
    treated', whom would he blame for it? The Christian church authorities?

    "So I doubt if any normal person would have made such a statement..."
    --RJHinds

    Apart from RJHinds's apparently pejorative insinuation th ...[text shortened]... dently many atrocities
    on both sides. In this case, the Islamists seemed comparatively humane.
    The blame is with the religious leadership that indoctrinate these young women with propaganda that influence them toward a desire for living under vows of poverty, chastity, and obedience.

    These nuns voluntarily removed their crosses and hid them out of the sight of the Islamic captors as to not offend them. This just shows you their mindset.

    If you had made the claim in the beginning that these Islamic terrorists were being comparatively humane to some other Islamic terrorists, then I would not feel a need to challenge the assumption.
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    17 Mar '14 23:54
    Originally posted by Rajk999
    The woman said the guys were sweet ..😉
    I think we would need many more questions to be asked of all these nuns to see what they actually feeled about what happened to them.
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    Originally posted by RJHinds
    The blame is with the religious leadership that indoctrinate these young women with propaganda that influence them toward a desire for living under vows of poverty, chastity, and obedience.

    These nuns voluntarily removed their crosses and hid them out of the sight of the Islamic captors as to not offend them. This just shows you their mindset.

    If you ...[text shortened]... mane to some other Islamic terrorists, then I would not feel a need to challenge the assumption.
    "The blame is with the (Christian) religious leadership that indoctinate
    these young women with propaganda that influence them toward a desire
    for living under vows of poverty, chastity, and obedience."
    --RJHinds

    Isn't that how some women were supposed to become saints?
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    18 Mar '14 00:24
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    "The blame is with the (Christian) religious leadership that indoctinate
    these young women with propaganda that influence them toward a desire
    for living under vows of poverty, chastity, and obedience."
    --RJHinds

    Isn't that how some women were supposed to become saints?
    There are nuns in several false religions and this is one false teaching that has infiltrated into some Christian religions.

    God made woman as a helpmate for man and not to serve a religious order. One important function that God created women for is that of childbearing. The false teachings attempt to nullify God's command.
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    18 Mar '14 00:48
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    There are nuns in several false religions and this is one false teaching that has infiltrated into some Christian religions.

    God made woman as a helpmate for man and not to serve a religious order. One important function that God created women for is that of childbearing. The false teachings attempt to nullify God's command.
    'God made woman as a helpmate for man and not to serve a religious
    order.'
    --RJHinds

    I believe that every woman should have the right to choose if she wants
    to be a 'helpmate for man', 'serve a religious order', or do something else.

    'One important function that God created women for is that of childbearing.'
    --RJHinds

    Some women are incapable of having babies, and some other women
    choose not to have babies. While many women have been culturally
    conditioned to feel incomplete if they never have given birth, women should
    be encouraged to believe they can have fulfilling lives without that experience.
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