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Originally posted by Grampy BobbySo why did you ask in the first place?
Agreed... a fact at least in the United States.
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyAll the examples in the OP are utterly asinine. You could have had the wave/particle nature of matter, relativity or quantum mechanics.
"There are so many better examples you could have used."
How about a few?
Originally posted by lemon lime" I will list some examples of observations that science has explanations
Some of these questions remind me of brain teasers I heard when I was a kid. For example, #5...
[b]5. If the earth rotates at 1040 mph, when you are in a plane moving at 500-600 mph, in the opposite direction of the earth's rotation, why don't you see the earth rotating at that 1040 mph in the other direction?
When the plane is on the ground i ...[text shortened]... discrepancies are due to using different points of reference when talking about the same thing.[/b]
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyProbably not as he it is quite likely that he had also not realised that the earth was moving.
" I will list some examples of observations that science has explanations
for, yet can appear to the observer to be logically incongruent..." (OP)
When you were a "kid" and hadn't yet learned the "scientific explanations",
would there have been an unexplained "incongruence"?
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyYou said you feel the speed.
Looking out the side or front or rear windows of a speeding vehicle, doesn't the eye communicates to the frontal lobes to adrenalin glands to produce physical sensations such as leaning back with feet bracing against the floor of even children crouching in a fetal position in fear of crashing? Speculation of Speed would likely occur since limits are being exceeded.
Originally posted by wolfgang59Vibration of the vehicle over road imperfections; the sound and sense
You said you feel the speed.
I have already conceded that we can see we are moving and estimate the speed.
How do you feel you are travelling at 70mph?
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyOf course, but as a kid all I would have said was "That doesn't make sense".
" I will list some examples of observations that science has explanations
for, yet can appear to the observer to be logically incongruent..." (OP)
When you were a "kid" and hadn't yet learned the "scientific explanations",
would there have been an unexplained "incongruence"?
Originally posted by lemon lime"Of course, but as a kid all I would have said was "That doesn't make sense"."... equals logically incongruent?
Of course, but as a kid all I would have said was "That doesn't make sense".
I don't need to know anything about the earths rotation to understand that a plane would only be seen traveling at a speed relative to the surface of the earth. Most kids wouldn't say it in that way, but I think most kids would understand that. However, some kids (adults too) ...[text shortened]... u can feel acceleration and deceleration, but you can't actually feel how fast the car is going.
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyI think I understand your premise, that what (we are able to) observe isn't necessarily what is happening. Or maybe my observation is flawed, and that isn't it... 😕😛
Originally posted by Grampy Bobby (OP)
[b]"A challenge for atheistic beliefs (theists are welcome too)"
"Post Number:#1 November 6th, 2013, 1:53 pm... I have often wondered why atheists are so concerned with what theists believe? Appeals to absurdity are a common formulaic method used in order to dispel theistic notions and ideas. Howeve ...[text shortened]... dark knight of the realm." http://onlinephilosophyclub.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=10285[/b][/b]
Originally posted by Grampy Bobby"That doesn't make sense"."... equals logically incongruent?
"Of course, but as a kid all I would have said was "That doesn't make sense"."... equals logically incongruent?
"You can feel acceleration and deceleration, but you can't actually feel how fast the car is going."... thanks.
Originally posted by lemon limePlease read the first paragraph of the Original Post; you'll note the phrase quoted "logically incongruent" in context.
[b]"That doesn't make sense"."... equals logically incongruent?
I'm not clear on what you mean by "logically incongruent". Something can be true and at the same time appear to be incongruent, such as science having an explanation that doesn't line up with what our senses tell us. Is this what you mean?[/b]
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyThe overarching question is interesting enough, and relevant, but I'd like to change one word in it for the sake of not having to watch tidy whities twisting into a knot... no one wants to see that.
[b]"A challenge for atheistic beliefs (theists are welcome too)"
"Post Number:#1 November 6th, 2013, 1:53 pm... I have often wondered why atheists are so concerned with what theists believe? Appeals to absurdity are a common formulaic method used in order to dispel theistic notions and ideas. However, if we are to remove the evidence which perta ...[text shortened]... try, dark knight of the realm." http://onlinephilosophyclub.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=10285[/b]