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@josephw said
This is my assertion:

If God does not exist, then the one who believes in a non-existent God, and lives a life on the basis of a false reality, that one is deluded. Their worship and religious practice is in vain.

That principle can be extrapolated to include any and all belief systems.

In my opinion.
So who leads you life and heart? If an opinion like what you stated here I’ll stick to something slow built over time, proven true, leading to much trust and faith not an opinion as I stated above. You’re example has to start with a proven truth to be true does this help?

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@mike69 said
So who leads you life and heart? If an opinion like what you stated here I’ll stick to something slow built over time, proven true, leading to much trust and faith not an opinion as I stated above. You’re example has to start with a proven truth to be true does this help?
I think you misunderstand me.

Everyone in this forum knows what I believe. Jesus Christ is Lord.

I'm simply making an assertion about believing in something that doesn't exist based in logic.

If one believes in something that doesn't exist, then they are deluded.

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@josephw
As I do, I was just making sure. I guess I’m just a little confused this being the case that you would choose the examples you did making it incorrect in my opinion for you myself and all believers. First time caller long time listener- just a little confused or looking at it wrong nothing personal 🙂.

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@josephw said
You are twisting yourself into a knot, in your mind, trying to evade the point.
No. You are mistaken. I get your point exactly and I am showing it to be nonsense.

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@fmf said
No. You are mistaken. I get your point exactly and I am showing it to be nonsense.
I’m missing something aren’t I😁.

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@josephw said
But if God doesn't exist, and they think he does, then they are deluded.
I've never used the words "delusion" or "deluded" to describe religious faith. Speculation and aspiration about the mysteries of the universe and our origin is natural and rational, to my way of thinking. Jumping from a tower block thinking that you will survive because a supernatural being will catch you before you hit the ground ~ now, that kind of thing can be described as "delusional".

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@mike69 said
@josephw
As I do, I was just making sure. I guess I’m just a little confused this being the case that you would choose the examples you did making it incorrect in my opinion for you myself and all believers. First time caller long time listener- just a little confused or looking at it wrong nothing personal 🙂.
Not a problem brother.

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@josephw said
If the "belief" is in something that doesn't exist, but they think it does exist, then how they live, based on a false belief, is worse than vain.

It's blind hypocrisy.
No. You are using the word "hypocrisy" incorrectly. theological beliefs that give one's life meaning and structure are not "worse than vain" at all. The significance and impact of those beliefs are not affected by whether or not the supernatural beings in question actually exist. It has absolutely nothing to do with "hypocrisy".

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@fmf said
No. You are mistaken. I get your point exactly and I am showing it to be nonsense.
Well, you haven't shown me anything that you haven't shown before in this forum. You haven't proven my assertion wrong.

You just twisted away with gibberish not relevant to my assertion.

You didn't miss the point. You just ran away from it.

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@josephw said
If God does not exist, then the one who believes in a non-existent God, and lives a life on the basis of a false reality, that one is deluded. Their worship and religious practice is in vain.
Countless millions of Christians derive benefit from their beliefs regardless of whether Jesus was who they think he was and did what they think he did.

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@josephw said
Well, you haven't shown me anything that you haven't shown before in this forum. You haven't proven my assertion wrong.
I think I am demonstrating that your assertion is nonsense.

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@josephw said
You just twisted away with gibberish not relevant to my assertion.
This is not so. I tackled it head-on and expressed myself very clearly and succinctly.

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@josephw said
You didn't miss the point. You just ran away from it.
This isn't true. I am still here trying to converse with you.

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@fmf said
I've never used the words "delusion" or "deluded" to describe religious faith. Speculation and aspiration about the mysteries of the universe and our origin is natural and rational, to my way of thinking. Jumping from a tower block thinking that you will survive because a supernatural being will catch you before you hit the ground ~ now, that kind of thing can be described as "delusional".
More twisting ad hominem gibberish.

Why are you making it personal?

I made a simple statement, and now you're freaking out because you can't refute the logic.

Belief in what doesn't exist is delusional.

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@josephw said
More twisting ad hominem gibberish.

Why are you making it personal?
"Making it personal"? How so? There is no 'ad hominem'.

Here it is again: a response to your use of the word "deluded".

I've never used the words "delusion" or "deluded" to describe religious faith. Speculation and aspiration about the mysteries of the universe and our origin is natural and rational, to my way of thinking. Jumping from a tower block thinking that you will survive because a supernatural being will catch you before you hit the ground ~ now, that kind of thing can be described as "delusional".