@sonship
A fellow Christian, josephw, said:
If, in fact, sonship does argue that man's original purpose "was for man to become God", I would have to argue with that.
I find no such thing in the scriptures.
How can the finite become infinite? Man will always and forever be finite because man had a beginning and God did not.
Man will never be God.
@Ghost-of-a-Duke
I agree with Joseph.
The unique Godhead remains eternally out of the reach of any creature.
And I think we understand one another.
Man will never:
The uncreated and eternal ground of being.
Become an object of worship.
Create universes.
Claim to have always been.
Be omniscient.
Be omnipotent.
Be omnipresent.
Shed blood for the eternal redemption of anyone.
Be the Father begetting children of God.
These are all non-communicble attributes of God.
But children of God are a expansion of God into humanity.
And this is why God placed man before "the tree of life" for God to
permeate, saturate, dispense Himself in His communicable attributes into His
people.
When the Apostle John says we shall be like Him because we will see Him even as He is, I do not mean we will wear sandles like Jesus or superficial things like that. I believe we are and will be also manifested as God-men.
This God intended and determined before He created the universe -
"Even as He chose us in Him bwefore trhat foundation of the world to be holy and without blemish before HIm in love, predestinating us unto sonship tjrough Jesus CHrist to HImself, according to the good pleasrue of His will,
To the praise of the glory of His grace with which He gtraced us in the Beloved . . . "
Ephesians 1:4-6 "Before the foundation of the world" means before God created the universe.
Just by reading Genesis we probably would not see this. But by the time we arrive at the book of Ephesisans we see this. Salvation is not just for God to forgive us, clean us up and take us away to a happy place. It is that we become His dwelling place - "a habitation of God in spirit" (Eph. 2:22) .
@josephw said
I agree that much of the terms and such that sonship uses are hard to swallow.
But he understands clearly the gospel of Jesus Christ.
Would you prefer if he dropped the Witless Lee nonsense and just stuck to what was actually written in scripture?
@sonship saidHave you not said that God's original plan was to make man a God?
@Ghost-of-a-Duke
I agree with Joseph.
The unique Godhead remains eternally out of the reach of any creature.
And I think we understand one another.
Man will never:
The uncreated and eternal ground of being.
Become an object of worship.
Create universes.
Claim to have always been.
Be omniscient.
Be omnipotent.
Be omnipresent.
Shed blood f ...[text shortened]... od to
permeate, saturate, dispense Himself in His communicable attributes into His
people.
Do you disagree with Joseph hen he writes, "How can the finite become infinite? Man will always and forever be finite because man had a beginning and God did not. Man will never be God."
@Ghost-of-a-Duke
The post previous to this should be clear UNLESS you intend to misunderstand as much as you can.
As much as you'd just love to see me and another Christian (Joseph) debate, I'm not giving you the pleasure.
But I do want to thank you for demonatesting that you believe basically in something found in the Bible yet not labelled as such with a phrase. - The Golden Rule.
I'll say a little more on this post. I somewhat understand your delimma. Becuase you have yet to settle in your mind that God is real and objectively there, you cannot go on from that elementary issue to a deeper matter of God's dispensing found in the New Testament. The latter you can only think of in terms of blasphemy.
That is probably because God's existence PERIOD is not a settled matter for you.
So God "in us" coming to live within us being our life are sounding to you like blasphemy.
YOU . . . have a problem there.
@sonship saidAs explained, the golden rule, as you call it, emanates from man. It predates your Bible.
But I do want to thank you for demonatesting that you believe basically in something found in the Bible yet not labelled as such with a phrase. - The Golden Rule.
I'll say a little more on this post. I somewhat understand your delimma. Becuase you have yet to settle in your mind that God is real and objectively there, you cannot go on from that elementary issue ...[text shortened]... g our life are sounding to you like blasphemy.
YOU . . . have a problem there.
God-ized is a word coming from the mind of a charlatan who believed he spoke higher truths.
@sonship saidYou do realise that you are undermining the integrity of scripture? That a person can claim anything belongs in the Bible, even if it isn't mentioned.
@Ghost-of-a-DukeAs explained, the golden rule, as you call it, emanates from man. It predates your Bible.
Irrelevant (even if true).
Its in the Bible and you approved of it.
Yet literally no such biblical phrase as "the Golden Rule" appears.
hwi
For example, I could claim that UFOs appear in the Bible, even though the word UFO is never mentioned. I could then use your tactic of providing some biblical text taken out of context to justify that UFOs do appear in the Bible, perhaps quoting Zechariah 5:1-2:
'Again I lifted my eyes and saw, and behold, a flying scroll! And he said to me, “What do you see?” I answered, “I see a flying scroll. Its length is twenty cubits, and its width ten cubits.'
@Ghost-of-a-Duke
I realise that as an atheist it is absolutely useless to look to you for any kind of reliable understanding of the Bible.
@sonship saidThe irony is of course, out of the two of us, it isn't the atheist who attempts repeatedly to corrupt scripture.
@Ghost-of-a-Duke
I realise that as an atheist it is absolutely useless to look to you for any kind of reliable understanding of the Bible.
So the church in Corinth was God's cultivated land (God's farm).
And the church in Corinth was Gos's building.
She was rooted in Christ.
She was grounded in Christ.
Rooted for growing in life.
Grounded for being builded up.
No one has been able to show otherwise inspite of great atheistic whinings.
Ghost had to open up another thread he had so many tears to shed.
"I planted . . . " What did Paul plant?
He planted Jesus Christ the Lord into the Corinthians.
"I planted, Apollos watered . . ." Well what did Apollos water?
Apollos watered the seed of Jesus Christ which Paul planted.
They were laboring on God's "crop".
"I planted, Apollos watered, but God caused the growth." What did God cause to grow?
God caused Christ to grow. Christ is a living Lord and Savior who can be supernaturally "planted" into humanity. Then that seed needs watering.
It needs tending to that it grow.
God causes the growth.
As God causes the growth of Christ in the Corinthian Christians the very growth of Christ is building them up together into the temple of God for God to dwell in them.
"So then neither is he who plants anythingh nor he who waters, but God who casuses the growth." (v7) This God's fantastic New Testament salvation.
@sonship saidOf all the Christians in this forum, it is you sonship who frequently corrupts scripture to accommodate the blasphemous ramblings of a false preacher. Your belief in divine mingling and God-ized is in truth a mingling of Christianity and Greek mythology, presenting yourself as a demi-god.
So the church in Corinth was God's cultivated land (God's farm).
And the church in Corinth was Gos's building.
She was rooted in Christ.
She was grounded in Christ.
Rooted for growing in life.
Grounded for being builded up.
No one has been able to show otherwise inspite of great atheistic whinings.
Ghost had to open up another thread he had so many tears to shed.
At what point did you surrender your humility God-man?
@Ghost-of-a-Duke
Ghost is projecting now.
As if it were the Christians pride to stand upon the promises of God.
As Peter said "exceedingly great and precious promises"
It is not proud to stand on the word of God.
You don't know God.
And you don't know His salvation.