@Ghost-of-a-Duke
That you have never demonstrated sorry to say.
And you cannot refute the passages.
Whine on.
@sonship saidGod-ized is not in the Bible. I have aptly demonstrated that and debunked your weak comparison with 'godliness.'
@Ghost-of-a-Duke
That you have never demonstrated sorry to say.
And you cannot refute the passages.
Whine on.
It is abundantly clear you seek to mingle Christianity with Greek mythology and make yourself a demi-god.
@Ghost-of-a-Duke
The definition of "godliness" is given by the NT itself in 1 Tim. 3:16 for us.
The whinings of an atheist have no effect on the definition given by Scripture -
And confessedly, great is the mystery of godliness:
He who was manifested in the flesh,
Justified in the Spirit,
Seen by angels, Preached among the nations,
Believed on in the world,
Taken up in glory."
You are just among those in the world, but not believing.
@sonship saidIn reference to man, godliness is a behavioural thing, it's acting in a godly manner.
@Ghost-of-a-Duke
The definition of "godliness" is given by the NT itself in 1 Tim. 3:16 for us.
The whinings of an atheist have no effect on the definition given by Scripture -
And confessedly, great is the mystery of godliness:
He who was manifested in the flesh,
Justified in the Spirit,
Seen by angels, Preached among the nations ...[text shortened]... the world,
Taken up in glory."
You are just among those in the world, but not believing.
God-ized is man becoming God. These are two entirely different things. Which is why God-ized does not appear in the Bible but only in the ramblings of a charlatan.
@Ghost-of-a-Duke
I am not too interested in tit for tat exchanges with you. When I see someone write someting substantial that I think needs to be addressed or re-addressed, I'll write more.
Godliness is about God manifest in the flesh. And that is the living God. The RcV says "He who was manifested in the flesh" . As most English translations seem to say "He".
You also have these renderings:
King James Bible
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh,
Amplified Bible
And great, we confess, is the mystery [the hidden truth] of godliness: He (Jesus Christ) who was revealed in human flesh,
Young's Literal Translation
and, confessedly, great is the secret of piety -- God was manifested in flesh,
GOD'S WORD® Translation
The mystery that gives us our reverence for God is acknowledged to be great: He appeared in his human nature,
Weymouth New Testament
And, beyond controversy, great is the mystery of our religion-- that Christ appeared in human form,
@sonship saidLook, we are talking about godliness as it refers to man and how it is not the same as God-ized.
@Ghost-of-a-Duke
I am not too interested in tit for tat exchanges with you. When I see someone write someting substantial that I think needs to be addressed or re-addressed, I'll write more.
Godliness is about God manifest in the flesh. And that is the living God. The RcV says "He who was manifested in the flesh" . As most English translations se ...[text shortened]...
And, beyond controversy, great is the mystery of our religion-- that Christ appeared in human form,
Providing endless biblical references to godliness as it relates to God becoming flesh is irrelevant and smacks of desperation. Nowhere in the Bible does it say man will be God-ized, and even 'son of God' does not mean this. Nothing in scripture does.
@ghost-of-a-duke saidHey Ghosty,
Look, we are talking about godliness as it refers to man and how it is not the same as God-ized.
Providing endless biblical references to godliness as it relates to God becoming flesh is irrelevant and smacks of desperation. Nowhere in the Bible does it say man will be God-ized, and even 'son of God' does not mean this. Nothing in scripture does.
Just trying to understand your position…
Do you accept that the Holy Bible says God’s Holy Spirit, which is the third part of the Trinity, will indwell Christians when they accept and believe in Jesus Christ?
That God’s Holy Spirit cohabitates with man’s spirit in man’s body when someone accepts and believes in Jesus Christ?
@pb1022 saidYes, I understand that. Do you understand that sonship is saying something quite different?
Hey Ghosty,
Just trying to understand your position…
Do you accept that the Holy Bible says God’s Holy Spirit, which is the third part of the Trinity, will indwell Christians when they accept and believe in Jesus Christ?
That God’s Holy Spirit cohabitates with man’s spirit in man’s body when someone accepts and believes in Jesus Christ?
He says men are 'sons of God' (which is scriptural) and that is the same as saying the 'son of a horse is a horse.' (Not scriptural). Do you understand the significance of that, and that when he uses words like God-ized he means man is destined to be a God in his own right. (Lesser than the Godhead - A demi-god, man minged with the divine). This is 'not' the same as saying the Holy Spirit dwells inside a Christian. It is a million miles from that.
God-ized is not found in the NT for very good reason.
Look, we are talking about godliness as it refers to man and how it is not the same as God-ized.
There is no question that Jesus Christ is the main referent in the definition of "godliness" in First Timothy 3:16. Whether the translators read "God as manifest in the flesh" or "He was manifest in the flesh". There no possible escape from the intended definition of Jesus Christ in incarnation and resurrection.
BUT having been defined the word also is applied to those in the house of God the church of the living God, Ie. Christian believers. So they have to be ______IZED in SOME way. They were not born naturally in the world in possession of this "godliness". So something had to occur to bestow this godliness to them.
You object to the term "Son-ized" and to the coined word "God-ized". I know they are not in the Bible any more than "The Godlen Rule" is specifically a term in Scriptures to which you agreed to albeit in a God-less way.
We are told to "excercise yourself unto godliness" (First Timothy 4:7) That means man must do something to cooperate with this "_____izing" such that godliness becomes his characteristic.
And there are many, many other verses speaking of this godliness as something believers should have, possess, move towards, or otherwise let God endow them with.
Sometimes religious people get dull ears and weary such that actually astounding things become commonplace and taken for granted or even misunderstood. "Son-izing" or "God-izing" are words meant to shake complacent dull minds out of the stupor of tradition to appreciate actually what it means.
Moving from "ungodliness" and being "ungodly" to "godliness" is something God does with our cooperation. It is God who operates in us both the willing and working for His good pleasure. (Phil. 2:13)
So the Christians cooperates with the operating God to move from ungodliness to godliness.
How can we who were not Jesus Christ become God manifest in the flesh? It is by the process of His salvation to conform us to His own image to make us the many brothers of the Firstborn Son, the many grains as the multiplication of the one grain that died, and to be led by Him as the many sons into God's glory. (Rom. 8:29; John 12:24; Heb. 1:10)
We who understand certainly can tolerate or even forgive a faithful servant for coming up with terms such as "God-ized" or "Son-ized" to recover these truths from the duldrums of lukewarm traditional taking for granted biblical words like "transformation, sanctification, glorification, conformation, building, growing, being made holy, transfiguration" .
Providing endless biblical references to godliness as it relates to God becoming flesh is irrelevant and smacks of desperation. Nowhere in the Bible does it say man will be God-ized, and even 'son of God' does not mean this. Nothing in scripture does.
What is wrong with being desperate that men appreciate what is really there in the exceedingly precious promises of God to believers, and to the church?