@sonship saidGod has warned against pride and man reaching above his station. Would you like examples Mr demi-god?
@Ghost-of-a-Duke
Ghost is projecting now.
As if it were the Christians pride to stand upon the promises of God.
As Peter said "exceedingly great and precious promises"
It is not proud to stand on the word of God.
You don't know God.
And you don't know His salvation.
@Ghost-of-a-Duke
Would you like examples of people standing boldly on the great promises of God?
Glorification is something God includes in His plan.
He plans to have an entity that matches Jesus Christ so as to be His Wife, His counterpart, His bride.
This is not overreach from man part. This is Christ's longing for His Bride and Wife which is a city of glorified nasd deified redeemed human beings - resurrected, transformed, confromed to His image.
This is God's eternal purpose which is more that we would even think to ask.
Deification meets the need that God has.
Deification meets the longing that the Triune God has by which He created all
things for that purpose.
It is "according to the good pleasure of His will" that He marked out the destiny of some to sonship. It was HIS "good pleasure" not our overreach.
@sonship saidThis glorification God planned for refers to your deification?!
@Ghost-of-a-Duke
Would you like examples of people standing boldly on the great promises of God?
Glorification is something God includes in His plan.
He plans to have an entity that matches Jesus Christ so as to be His Wife, His counterpart, His bride.
This is not overreach from man part. This is Christ's longing for His Bride and Wife which is a city of glor ...[text shortened]... He marked out the destiny of some to sonship. It was HIS "good pleasure" not our overreach.
Christian brothers and sisters, please answer me a question or two.
What could it be for Paul to say "much more we shall be saved in His life"?
That is Romans 5:10. God's life is God Himself. So how can we be saved IN . . . His life ?
"But if we, being enemies, were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more we will be saved in His life, having been reconciled." (Rom. 5:10)
How can we be "SAVED IN HIS LIFE" ?
@sonship saidNo Christian brother or sister will reassure you, "Yes sonship, God has mingled with you and God-ized you, making you a demi-god like Hercules before you. All praise Zeus!"
Christian brothers and sisters, please answer me a question or two.
What could it be for Paul to say "much more we shall be saved in His life"?
That is Romans 5:10. God's life is God Himself. So how can we be saved IN . . . His life ?
"But if we, being enemies, were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more we will be saved in His life, having been reconciled." (Rom. 5:10)
How can we be "SAVED IN HIS LIFE" ?
@Ghost-of-a-Duke
Yes, glorification is included in this deification.
The entire city of the New Jerusalem bears the glory of God.
That means every member and constituent in the city (me included) is glorified.
It is a collective and corperate expression of God mingled with man.
In chapter 4 God sitting on the throne has an appearance like a jasper stone.
In chapter 21 the whole New Jerusalem has the appearance of jasper stone.
The symbolism is strong. But the plain words are also.
" . . . showed me the holy city, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God
Hacing the glory of God. Her light was like a most precious stone, like a jasper stone, as clear as crystal." (Rev, 21:10b,11)
But God Himself has the appearance of a jasper stone -
" I . . . beheld, there was a throne in heaven, and upon the throne there was One sitting; And He who was sitting was like a jasper stone . . . " (See Rev. 4:2,3)
What God is in His communicable glory is infused into the city.
What God is in His communicabler attributes in dispensed into the New Jerusalem.
The dark rich green color of jasper is infused into the city to permeate the city.
So that the city becomes a MATCH to marry the God-man the Lord Jesus.
"And I saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband." (Rev. 21:2)
We have the blueprint. We see how God prepares a matching and corresponding counterpart for the God-man the Lord Jesus Christ. We see our destination. It is not a place to which we go, but it is an entity into which we are being transformed.
"He who overcomes will inherit these things, and I will be God to him, and he will be a son to Me." (Rev. 21:7)
So this is not human pride but not neglecting God's great salvation.
Hebrews tells us:
"How shall we escape if we neglect so great a salvation, which, having had its beginning in being spoken by the Loird, has been confirmed to us by those who heard." (Heb. 2:3)
@sonship saidI like how you have capitalized MATCH here.
What God is in His communicable glory is infused into the city.
What God is in His communicabler attributes in dispensed into the New Jerusalem.
The dark rich green color of jasper is infused into the city to permeate the city.
So that the city becomes a MATCH to marry the God-man the Lord Jesus.
So you are equal to God now? A match?!
Match as in a Wife to match her Husband.
Isn't this a match?
"You therefore shall be perfect as your heavenly Father is perfect." (Matt. 5:48)
Matching, to be like the Father, in some senses is on the heart of God.
Here is another match:
"We know that if He is manfested, we wil be like HIm because we will see HIm ecen as He is." (1 Johyn 3:2)
That is about God's salvation bringing His people to match Him in some matchable regards.
In fact matching God some way was on the heart of our Creator when He designed and created man.
"And God said, Let Us make man in Our image, according to our likeness . . ." (Gen 1:26a)
That's even about God wanting a match.
" . . . and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of heaven . . . etc. etc."
That too is about God wanting a match in some regard.
"And God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him . . . " (v.27a)
That too is concerning God desiring a match.
It is too bad that your unbelief cannot see that from the beginning and even before the beginning of the universe God had on His heart matching.
Here is another mighty verse about Christ's desire for matching in some regard.
"And the glory which You have given Me I have given to them, that they all may be one, even as We are one." (John 17:22)
That's about matching.
Here again in the same petition to His Father is about matching.
"Father, concerning that which You have given Me, I desire that they also may be with Me where I am, that they may behold My glory, which You have given Me, for You loved Me before the foundation of the world." (v.24)
That's about matching also.
Oh the sheer empty poverty of atheism.
You don't have much of a case left.
@sonship saidYou have been exposed and debunked. I think you should indeed go live on a farm, have a break from all the Witness Lee nonsense.
" . . . and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of heaven . . . etc. etc."
That too is about God wanting a match in some regard.
"And God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him . . . " (v.27a)
That too is concerning God desiring a match.
It is too bad that your unbelief cannot see that ...[text shortened]... about matching also.
Oh the sheer empty poverty of atheism.
You don't have much of a case left.
The Apostle Paul was criticized by some of the Corinthians because they expected something sounding more like Greek philosophy. He informed them that the apostolic wisdom they spoke was not of this age.
"But we do speak wisdom among those who are full-grown, yet a wisdom not of this age nor of the rulers of this age, who are being brought to nought.
But we speak God's wisdom in a mystery, the wisdom which has been hidden, which God predestinated before the ages for our glory.
Which none of the rulers of this age hasve known; for it they had known, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory." (1 Cor. 2:6-8)
Paul was bold. The wisdom with which he taught the church he says was not his concoction but ordained by God predestined to be taught to accomplish His purpose.
He has revealed this wisdom to the consecrated apostles and the apostles on to the church there. If the Apostle Paul had not written this who among us would have had the boldness to write such ?
He is speaking of "the depths of God" which the Holy Spirit has revealed to His true servants.
"But to us has revealed them through the Spirit, for the Spirit searches all things, even the depths of God." (1 Cor. 2:10)
And we in the Lord's recovery are thankful for the searching Holy Spirit granting the serving ones to utter things as "the depths of God".