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Originally posted by galveston75Geez...I thought I was bad at picking up on a joke...seems you have outdone me, my good man 😉 My hat is off to you.
Geeez....unbelieveable concept of YOUR creator.
Originally posted by KellyJayYes, thats what I was trying to say-that God is a whole. Still a wholistic concept can be derived in things , such as in a superconductor. As far as I understand it, a superconductor has a huge amount of energy but it runs around WITHIN the superconductor so you cant actually measure any energy being emitted. Sorry, that may be a bad analogy for you, and it is a difficult concept to convey. Lets see if we can get anyone else to chime in...
I think the answer is no, you get God not part of God.
I am looking forward to seeing how others view this question too.
Kelly
Originally posted by karoly aczelI think you have said it, "God is a whole" He is, "I am that I am". I don't think
Yes, thats what I was trying to say-that God is a whole. Still a wholistic concept can be derived in things , such as in a superconductor. As far as I understand it, a superconductor has a huge amount of energy but it runs around WITHIN the superconductor so you cant actually measure any energy being emitted. Sorry, that may be a bad analogy for you, and it is a difficult concept to convey. Lets see if we can get anyone else to chime in...
Originally posted by KellyJayKelly, what do you think Paul meant that he wished to "gain Christ" ?
I think the answer is no, you get God not part of God.
I am looking forward to seeing how others view this question too.
Kelly
Originally posted by jaywillKey in on the words "A little bit of..." I understand gaining Christ and
Kelly, what do you think Paul meant that he wished to [b]"gain Christ" ?
Did he not already have Christ ? How then was he interested to "gain Christ" (Phil. 3:8) ?
The whole section of Philippians 3 from verse 7 through 11, I think, is helpful to read.
Paul who had Christ as indwelling Lord and Savior for certain, wanted to stretch forth to "gain Christ".[/b]
Originally posted by KellyJayI am happy to read yours also.
No worries, always glad to read your posts.
Kelly
Originally posted by jaywillOur understanding of God and God are two different things, our becoming
I am happy to read yours also.
I think God is wroughting Himself into our beings.
As believers in Christ we have God. Yet we are in the process of absorbing Him for saturation and deification.
So I think a paradoxical answer to your question is in order. We have all of God yet He is still working Himself into out beings, especially our souls.
...[text shortened]... y can fully express God. He wants a collective and corporate expression of God mingled with man.
Originally posted by KellyJayIs the problem of pantheism what you are addressing ?
Our understanding of God and God are two different things, our becoming
Christ like and Christ are two different things. The pie example I used
earlier really shows what I'm trying to get at, if I eat a piece of pie I only
have that piece within me, all that which I do not eat remains untouched
by me. If God is always in His complete form at all times t ...[text shortened]... s concern, the universe is just a created place holder to put all things
that is in it.
Kelly
Originally posted by jaywillI don't see pantheism as a problem, it simply is a belief system that does
Is the problem of pantheism what you are addressing ?
Originally posted by KellyJayI think God has some communicable attributes that He dispenses to man.
I don't see pantheism as a problem, it simply is a belief system that does
not line up with scripture and the God of the Bible. There are a lot of beliefs
that fall into that mold some even have "Christian" attached to them. So
do you now see what I'm asking, can God cut off or hand off just a small
piece of Himself and you don't get all of God?
Kelly
Originally posted by jaywillSo do you get short changed with God at any point when you become one
I think God has some communicable attributes that He dispenses to man.
And God has some incommunicable attributes which He cannot impart to man.
This is the reason why we see Christ and the Body of Christ as the Head and the Body.
Now if I hit your arm, you are likely to say "Jay, stop hitting ME". You may say "Jay, stop hitting my arm." But bec ...[text shortened]... ved also, the ONE became two. Then the two are brought together to be one.
Originally posted by KellyJayMaybe this will help.
So do you get short changed with God at any point when you become one
with Him, or do you get God period? I'm not talking about grasping all of
God, or enjoying some gift of God, but does God ever give you just a little
bit of Himself to anyone and more to another of His person. Now some of
us may know Him better than others of us do, but is that becaus ...[text shortened]... tributes" you will have to explain what an "attribute" is in your way
of thinking.
Kelly
Originally posted by jaywillOkay, I am not sure you are getting what I'm asking.
Maybe this will help.
1.) [b]Colossians 1:12 - "Giving thanks to the Father, who has qualified you for a share of the allotted portion of the saints in the light."
Notice that the Colossian saints receive an "alloted PORTION". This "portion" is a portion of the enjoyment of the Triune God. The word picture should remind We are to be on God's FARM. God gives the growth.[/b]