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Originally posted by no1marauder
Jesus didn't tell any parables?? You have read the Bible, haven't you?
Oh, brother .......
Originally posted by KellyJayYou mean God, or perhaps that angel who features in Paradise Lost (can't remember its name) might have sat Adam & Eve for a chat about death to prepare them for their ordeal by temptation? The idea could not have occurred to them on their own: human beings raised in pure isolation do not develop language skills or the capacity for abstract thought.
They knew quite a bit without experience, you too I imagine know
about things you have never experienced as well.
Kelly
Originally posted by frogstompIt is comparing apples and oranges, the way that people are trying
What you don't like is the analogy's effectiveness , not that it matters since the same conclusion should be drawn from the original story.
Just one more bit of evidence that the story is not to be taken literally.
Originally posted by KellyJayHow would you describe this fallacy?
They knew quite a bit without experience, you too I imagine know
about things you have never experienced as well.
Kelly
Originally posted by no1marauderNo1: "Taking it in context, it seems pretty clear that God is telling A and E in Genesis that he'll kill them"
How so? After all it is an Almighty God talking to the only two humans who ever existed supposedly. Taking it in context, it seems pretty clear that God is telling A and E in Genesis that he'll kill them since he is the one wh ...[text shortened]... s roughly akin to a three year old (perhaps even a younger child).
Originally posted by Bosse de NageI mean what I said, and what I said had nothing to do with Paradise
You mean God, or perhaps that angel who features in Paradise Lost (can't remember its name) might have sat Adam & Eve for a chat about death to prepare them for their ordeal by temptation? The idea could not have occurred to them on their own: human beings raised in pure isolation do not develop language skills or the capacity for abstract thought.
Originally posted by ivanhoeGo f*** yourself. I've been taking your BS insults and trying to have a civil conversation, but a**holes like you don't know when to quit. I don't think you have any use at all anymore, not even as a jerkwad.
No1: "Taking it in context, it seems pretty clear that God is telling A and E in Genesis that he'll kill them"
Could you please quote Genesis and give the context if you wish where God says He will kill them after eating the fruit, genius.
Originally posted by KellyJayWould you care to address my "3 year old with the electrical cord" analogy?
They are not alive now are they, they died didn't they?
The wages of sin is death, had they not sinned they would not have
died. Seems simple enough, and because they did what they did there
were other things that happened too. The o ...[text shortened]... n what ever you want, I was
responding to another poster.
Kelly
Originally posted by no1marauder
Go f*** yourself. I've been taking your BS insults and trying to have a civil conversation, but a**holes like you don't know when to quit. I don't think you have any use at all anymore, not even as a jerkwad.
Originally posted by no1marauderNo, it would not be just for you to electrocute him, but if he died
Perhaps another analogy would be helpful (my own this time): my three year old grandson is playing with the electrical cord from my PC. I yell to him," Don't touch that or you'll get electrocuted". Suppose later when I'm not looking, he plays with the electrical cord. Would it be just for me if I found out about it to electrocute him?
Originally posted by no1marauderNo1: "Ivanhoe constantly makes this mistake and labels ALL arguments by analogy "strawmen"."
I don't think a parable or analogy CAN be a strawman fallacy. A strawman fallacy is replacing someone's argument with a distorted or exaggerated one i.e. (2 examples):
Bill and Jill are arguing about cleaning out their closets:
Jill: "We should clean out the closets. They are getting a bit messy."
Bill: "Why, we just went ...[text shortened]... Jesus yelling, "Strawman!" every time he made an "argument by analogy" i.e. told a parable.
Originally posted by KellyJayWHAT? The analogy is perfect: God said don't eat from the tree or you'll die; I say don't play with the cord or you'll get electrocuted. A and C eat from the tree; my grandson plays with the cord. They don't die from eating from the tree; he doesn't get electrocuted. Then afterwards, God kills A and C eventually as punishment, and I electrocute my grandson as punishment. Where is the logical difference?
No, it would not be just for you to electrocute him, but if he died
because he did something with the electrical cord and he electrocuted
himself your warning even though you gave was not heeded. You
knew about the danger you gave a warning and it was rejected, that
is not the same thing as saying and doing, I’ll kill you if you touch
that.
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJaySo, you agree that putting that which is dangerous in front of the inexperienced is not a good course of action ? And further that educating kids as to dangerous materials is a good option to follow up the above ?
If you look at OT law you will see there are several things people
were allowed and forbidden to do. Inside Genesis in the garden
there was only one, they were free to do and say anything they
put thier minds to, anything but that one thing. Now you do not
and I do not either put anything poisonous where my young kids
can get them. I do put them in pla ...[text shortened]... ad, or was told not to
touch, not to eat, not to do whatever it is that could hurt them.
Kelly