Originally posted by FMFOh, here we go.
If you think the notion of eternal torture is unjust then, according to sonship, you must discard the Bible. As he said on another thread recently, "...if eternal punishment is unjust then we must discard the Bible". Apparently it's a take it or leave it deal-breaker for a Christian life in sonship's view. 🙂
Originally posted by FMFYou reject so much of what he says out-of-hand.
"So if eternal punishment is unjust then we must discard the Bible; for the Bible teaches eternal punishment" is a verbatim quote from sonship. So, yes, he go, I suppose. 😀
That you latch on to this one opinion of his as truth shows your inherent bias.
Spread it thick, maybe you'll catch a few more. Not really, but knock yourself out.
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Originally posted by SuzianneI think the grotesque "eternal torture" ideology ~ if it is, as sonship has suggested explicitly, a deal-breaker for being Christian, and that rejection of the "eternal torture" ideology necessitates rejection of the Bible in its entirety ~ I think this stance (if not removed from them) makes Christian religious beliefs untenable in moral terms.
You reject so much of what he says out-of-hand.
That you latch on to this one opinion of his as truth shows your inherent bias.
Spread it thick, maybe you'll catch a few more. Not really, but knock yourself out.
Originally posted by Suzianne"So if eternal punishment is unjust then we must discard the Bible; for the Bible teaches eternal punishment" is sonship's opinion. And no, divegeester does not share it, as he has made clear. In fact divegeester is one of the very small number of Christians who have unequivocally rejected the theology on this matter that sonship propagates.
And I doubt your "friend" divegeester holds this opinion.
-Removed-If I added "(and women)" every time I mentioned "man" as a species, it would soon overwhelm (and mock) my message and insult any readers. I depend on people to have enough intelligence to understand my perfectly normal usages of English. Those who don't, well, "we shall know them by their fruits" (or thorns or thistles).
I thought so; just checking for misandry. 😉
I don't hate (or even dislike) males. Not all males, anyways. 😉
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Originally posted by FMFAnd yet you still insert this statement of sonship's into divegeester's thread at this specific opportunity. One could easily imagine you trying to "poison the well", as it were, since you seem to advise "discarding the entire Bible", as you have.
"So if eternal punishment is unjust then we must discard the Bible; for the Bible teaches eternal punishment" is sonship's opinion. And no, divegeester does not share it, as he has made clear. In fact divegeester is one of the very small number of Christians who have unequivocally rejected the theology on this matter that sonship propagates.
Originally posted by Suziannedivegeester himself has cited the "eternal torture" ideology repeatedly on this (his own) thread. The instance of me supposedly "inserting" the point into this thread was a direct response to divegeester saying "To genuinely believe that another human being deserves to be burnt alive for eternity for not believing in eternal suffering must be one of the saddest indictments of the Christian faith ever posted in this forum."
And yet you still insert this statement of sonship's into divegeester's thread at this specific opportunity.
Originally posted by FMFWhat is untenable to ME, is you constantly co-mingling the varied opinions of various Christians into one, single untenable view of Christianity. This is WHY there are many Christian denominations. We don't ALL hold the same views on everything.
I think the grotesque "eternal torture" ideology ~ if it is, as sonship has suggested explicitly, a deal-breaker for being Christian, and that rejection of the "eternal torture" ideology necessitates rejection of the Bible in its entirety ~ I think this stance (if not removed from them) makes Christian religious beliefs untenable in moral terms.
But good luck on getting Christians to reject the entire Bible. You might catch a few that are weak of faith, but overall, I don't see it happening.