Originally posted by lemon limeDo you agree with RJHinds that divegeester deserves to be burnt in hell for eternity because he rejects the doctrine of eternal suffering?
As the saying goes "You can't take it with you", but maybe God will make an exception in your case and allow you bring along a big bag of marshmallows...
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Originally posted by RJHindsIs there any reason to seriously think that imaginary threats of unimaginably vindictive violence can somehow make someone start believing something that they simply cannot and don't believe? Has your God figure really resorted to recruiting mean-spirited buffoons in cyberspace to issue morally incoherent, ludicrously self-righteous "warnings" in order to display His supposed "perfect justice" and "perfect love"?
I am sorry that what I said to you was so hurtful, but it is best for you to know the truth, so you have time to repent and be saved. I did not say anything that Jesus did not say about everlasting punishment. I am providing you with a warning instead of casting a stone. You would do good to heed that warning.
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The point of the process is punishment. Eternal punishment in the writhing agony of hell fire.
Rjhinds so wedded to this doctrine that he would prefer to see me burn in eternity than admit that the doctrine is pointless, vile, and brings the gospel into disrepute.
I find it extrordinary that a fellow Christian feels I should burn in hell for rejecting this doctrine.
Originally posted by Grampy Bobby (Page 20)
All believers in the person and work of Jesus Christ will reside in heaven with Him for eternity. Those who have grown in grace by learning the absolute truths revealed in the Word of God will be given rewards for glorifying Him in time. Period.
Originally posted by divegeester
"I'm coming to a realisation that most of my Christian colleagues here in this forum believe I should be burnt in hell for not believing in eternal suffering, you included..."
dive, this persecution rant isn't even tangentially in line with the Word of God: Christians will reside in heaven for eternity.
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dive, the Great White Throne Judgment will be covered in "God's Person..." in conjunction with God's attributes in due time:
"10 And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever. 11 Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat upon it, from whose presence earth and heaven fled away, and no place was found for them. 12 And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds. 13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead which were in them; and they were judged, every one of them according to their deeds. 14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. 15 And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire." Revelation 20:10-15 (New American Standard Bible)... Please note that the two books opened make no mention of sin.
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10 And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.That's sounding like a yes to me. Which frankly is nuts, I find it difficult to believe that an all-powerful, all-knowing, all-loving entity would condemn atheists to that; never mind someone just because they are a non-denominational Unitarian (I hope you find the categorization acceptable, I'm trying to capture that you disagree with organised religion, or at least power bloc religion, and disagree with the Trinity).
Originally posted by DeepThought in reply to divegeesterOriginally posted by DeepThought in reply to divegeester10 And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.That's sounding like a yes to me. Which frankly is nuts, I find it difficult to believe that an all-powerful, all-knowing, ...[text shortened]... u disagree with organised religion, or at least power bloc religion, and disagree with the Trinity).
10 And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.That's sounding like a yes to me. [DT, please consider the eternal issues in the context of the Divine Integrity of God.] Which frankly is nuts, I find it difficult to believe that an all-powerful, all-knowing, all-loving entity would condemn atheists to that; [Of course you do; your volition has uncharacteristically opted out of even giving accurate information regarding "The Person of God..." a fair shake.] never mind someone just because they are a non-denominational Unitarian (I hope you find the categorization acceptable, [Is that your childhood background frame of reference?] I'm trying to capture that you disagree with organised religion, or at least power bloc religion, [These are all manmade and seek to gain the approbation of God through their own self righteous works which are totally incompatible with the Divine Righteousness of God and His plan of reconciliation of the depraved human race to Himself through the Risen Christ's substitutionary spiritual death/work on our behalf. Christianity is not a religion: It's a relationship with God Himself in time and eternity. Accepting His grace is an option for intellectuals as well and the single most significant decision of their lives with either an extraordinary upside or grim consequences.] and disagree with the Trinity [What, my friend, do you even know with certainty about the "Trinity" from an authoritative source?). Comments interjected in brackets. Italics mine. Please see: Thread 161456 Thanks. -Bob