Originally posted by galveston75Is that why you apparently chose to try to "bring him down" by delivering some of the crudest and most vehement personal abuse that has been seen on this forum for many a while?
I truly feel sorry for him and hope he can find happiness thru scripture and to no longer find the need to bring anyone down.
Originally posted by galveston75Then how do you explain the personal abuse you have been dishing out? What you said to divegeester on page 8 is clearly far, far nastier and much more gratuitously unkind and scathing than anything he has ever said to you, by a long shot. Why do you think you have licence to do this?
Nope....
Originally posted by FMFI just now started reading this thread so I don't know yet what RJ (actually) said. But I don't think not believing in hell or the lake of fire is enough to cause anyone to go there. And I don't think belonging to any particular denomination is enough to get anyone into or keep anyone out of heaven.
Do you agree with RJHinds that divegeester deserves to be burnt in hell for eternity because he rejects the doctrine of eternal suffering?
What I do believe is that God is able to look beneath surface differences and see what is important to him. He will be judging me according to his standards, not your standards or divegeesters or mine. Jesus said there will be some surprised people on Judgement day... some will surprised they didn't make the cut, and others will be surprised they did.
Originally posted by FMFThere are Catholics who will be there, and Catholics who won't. But it won't be because they are Catholic or because they aren't.
This is despite your reservations about ~ for example ~ Catholics' beliefs and/or practices?
Let me put it to you this way, no one in heaven is going to want to listen to anyone moaning and groaning and singing their little "Somebody Done me Wrong" songs for all of eternity. That kind of crap belongs in hell, not in heaven.
Originally posted by lemon limeHow do you imagine people in "heaven" will feel about beloved spouses, children, other relatives and close friends being subjected to torture in burning agony for eternity? Would you imagine it would taint the joy of reaching and being in "heaven"?
Let me put it to you this way, no one in heaven is going to want to listen to anyone moaning and groaning and singing their little "Somebody Done me Wrong" songs for all of eternity. That kind of crap belongs in hell, not in heaven.
Originally posted by FMFI imagine people in heaven won't be subjected to inflammatory questions.
How do you imagine people in "heaven" will feel about beloved spouses, children, other relatives and close friends being subjected to torture in burning agony for eternity? Would you imagine it would taint the joy of reaching and being in "heaven"?
If you recall (or ever knew) what the Bible says about this, then you should already know they won't be tormented by anything. And that includes the sort of torment you seem to think they would suffer in heaven.
Originally posted by lemon limeWell sidestep the question by all means. It's OK. That people in "heaven" might be unaffected by the knowledge that a beloved spouse or child might (meanwhile) be being tortured forever in "hell" strikes a false note in terms of compassion and in terms of morality. It's a question about a detail that points to incoherency and even fabrication: i.e it does not seem to ring true. But you can dodge the question by labelling it "inflammatory" if you feel the need to.
I imagine people in heaven won't be subjected to inflammatory questions.