27 Apr 06
Originally posted by whodeyThe funny thing about this little thread thus far, is that I believe it was LH who tried to hold up an argument once that atheism is a form of religion. For some reason, spirituality within the same would be ridiculous. 🙄
What's next, religious atheism?
Not that I think atheism is a religion or spiritual. But I do believe a person can be spiritual (in a sense) and still atheist. Somehow. I haven't really worked that one out. 😕
27 Apr 06
Originally posted by stockenI'm not talking about 'religious atheism' - I'm focusing attention on the term 'secular spirituality' (whatever that means).
The funny thing about this little thread thus far, is that I believe it was LH who tried to hold up an argument once that atheism is a form of religion. For some reason, spirituality within the same would be ridiculous. 🙄
Not that I think atheism is a religion or spiritual. But I do believe a person can be spiritual (in a sense) and still atheist. Somehow. I haven't really worked that one out. 😕
See a difference?
27 Apr 06
Originally posted by stockenYou know your right. The term religion is defined as an organized system of beliefs and rituals centering on a supernatural being or beings. Another definition is a belief upheld or pursued with zeal and devotion. I know many atheists who pursue their beliefs with zeal and devotion. There are even orgaized atheist groups out there trying to combat God centered religions. I guess for the atheist the supernatural beings are us. All beliefs and rituals are centered around man. So yes, I guess you can have religious atheism. So I guess the laugh is on me.
The funny thing about this little thread thus far, is that I believe it was LH who tried to hold up an argument once that atheism is a form of religion. For some reason, spirituality within the same would be ridiculous. 🙄
Not that I think atheism is a religion or spiritual. But I do believe a person can be spiritual (in a sense) and still atheist. Somehow. I haven't really worked that one out. 😕
As for secular spirituality, I think paganism comes the closest to this. Don't they dance around camp fires praying to mother earth for fertility and such? Maybe we could all drive out to Stonehinge during the summer solstus and take in the enery as the suns ray hits the center stone in the circle. Can't wait to see that center stone illuminated by the sun!! May I recommend smoking a few doobies to enhance our experience?
27 Apr 06
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Originally posted by lucifershammerSee, that's just the problem. I have no definition for the term. But you claim there's a difference. If you claim there's a difference, then surely you know what it means?
Why don't you define the term 'secular spirituality' for poor religious ignoramuses like me, then?
Edit: LH: I'm focusing attention on the term 'secular spirituality' (whatever that means)
27 Apr 06
Originally posted by lucifershammerI think I understand what you're saying but I'm not sure. Secular being anything not religious, so it cannot be part of religious atheism. Right?
Not necessarily. It's sufficient for me to know what it does not mean.
The problem we're having then is that I don't consider atheism a religion, so to me secular spirituality makes perfect sense so far.
Then we have the problem of spirituality being part of the supernatural which entails a religious belief of some sort, in which case, again, secular spirituality becomes rediculous.
The problem here is that I consider spirituality to be something produced through physical processes and thus not at all linked with the supernatural (although it is purely speculation and therefore a form of belief).
To sum up: To me secular spirituality is quite possible. I could be wrong though.
27 Apr 06
Originally posted by Vladamir no1our intrinsic need for spiritual beliefs
Should humanity be moving towards a secular spirituality that fufils our intrinsic need for spiritual beliefs and supplies a morality without the problematic figure of a god?
Could you elaborate on this? I am not sure what you mean.
