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    27 Apr '06 16:25
    Should humanity be moving towards a secular spirituality that fufils our intrinsic need for spiritual beliefs and supplies a morality without the problematic figure of a god?
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    27 Apr '06 17:05
    Originally posted by Vladamir no1
    Should humanity be moving towards a secular spirituality that fufils our intrinsic need for spiritual beliefs and supplies a morality without the problematic figure of a god?
    "Secular spirituality" - LOL!
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    27 Apr '06 17:06
    Originally posted by lucifershammer
    "Secular spirituality" - LOL!
    You're showing your ignorance
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    27 Apr '06 17:08
    Originally posted by Vladamir no1
    You're showing your ignorance
    Of what?
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    27 Apr '06 17:38
    Originally posted by Vladamir no1
    Should humanity be moving towards a secular spirituality that fufils our intrinsic need for spiritual beliefs and supplies a morality without the problematic figure of a god?
    What's next, religious atheism?
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    27 Apr '06 17:48
    Originally posted by whodey
    What's next, religious atheism?
    The funny thing about this little thread thus far, is that I believe it was LH who tried to hold up an argument once that atheism is a form of religion. For some reason, spirituality within the same would be ridiculous. 🙄

    Not that I think atheism is a religion or spiritual. But I do believe a person can be spiritual (in a sense) and still atheist. Somehow. I haven't really worked that one out. 😕
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    27 Apr '06 18:03
    Originally posted by stocken
    The funny thing about this little thread thus far, is that I believe it was LH who tried to hold up an argument once that atheism is a form of religion. For some reason, spirituality within the same would be ridiculous. 🙄

    Not that I think atheism is a religion or spiritual. But I do believe a person can be spiritual (in a sense) and still atheist. Somehow. I haven't really worked that one out. 😕
    I'm not talking about 'religious atheism' - I'm focusing attention on the term 'secular spirituality' (whatever that means).

    See a difference?
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    27 Apr '06 18:07
    Originally posted by stocken
    The funny thing about this little thread thus far, is that I believe it was LH who tried to hold up an argument once that atheism is a form of religion. For some reason, spirituality within the same would be ridiculous. 🙄

    Not that I think atheism is a religion or spiritual. But I do believe a person can be spiritual (in a sense) and still atheist. Somehow. I haven't really worked that one out. 😕
    You know your right. The term religion is defined as an organized system of beliefs and rituals centering on a supernatural being or beings. Another definition is a belief upheld or pursued with zeal and devotion. I know many atheists who pursue their beliefs with zeal and devotion. There are even orgaized atheist groups out there trying to combat God centered religions. I guess for the atheist the supernatural beings are us. All beliefs and rituals are centered around man. So yes, I guess you can have religious atheism. So I guess the laugh is on me.

    As for secular spirituality, I think paganism comes the closest to this. Don't they dance around camp fires praying to mother earth for fertility and such? Maybe we could all drive out to Stonehinge during the summer solstus and take in the enery as the suns ray hits the center stone in the circle. Can't wait to see that center stone illuminated by the sun!! May I recommend smoking a few doobies to enhance our experience?
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    27 Apr '06 18:08
    Originally posted by lucifershammer
    See a difference?
    Do you see a difference between a term you don't know what it means and another? Except for the fact you don't know what one of them means, that is?
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    27 Apr '06 18:11
    Originally posted by stocken
    Do you see a difference between a term you don't know what it means and another? Except for the fact you don't know what one of them means, that is?
    Why don't you define the term 'secular spirituality' for poor religious ignoramuses like me, then?
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    27 Apr '06 18:151 edit
    Originally posted by lucifershammer
    Why don't you define the term 'secular spirituality' for poor religious ignoramuses like me, then?
    See, that's just the problem. I have no definition for the term. But you claim there's a difference. If you claim there's a difference, then surely you know what it means?

    Edit: LH: I'm focusing attention on the term 'secular spirituality' (whatever that means)
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    27 Apr '06 18:23
    Originally posted by stocken
    If you claim there's a difference, then surely you know what it means?
    Not necessarily. It's sufficient for me to know what it does not mean.
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    27 Apr '06 18:37
    Originally posted by lucifershammer
    Not necessarily. It's sufficient for me to know what it does not mean.
    I think I understand what you're saying but I'm not sure. Secular being anything not religious, so it cannot be part of religious atheism. Right?

    The problem we're having then is that I don't consider atheism a religion, so to me secular spirituality makes perfect sense so far.

    Then we have the problem of spirituality being part of the supernatural which entails a religious belief of some sort, in which case, again, secular spirituality becomes rediculous.

    The problem here is that I consider spirituality to be something produced through physical processes and thus not at all linked with the supernatural (although it is purely speculation and therefore a form of belief).

    To sum up: To me secular spirituality is quite possible. I could be wrong though.
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    27 Apr '06 18:45
    Originally posted by Vladamir no1
    Should humanity be moving towards a secular spirituality that fufils our intrinsic need for spiritual beliefs and supplies a morality without the problematic figure of a god?
    our intrinsic need for spiritual beliefs

    Could you elaborate on this? I am not sure what you mean.
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    28 Apr '06 02:11
    Originally posted by lucifershammer
    Of what?
    Of Zen Buddhism, for one thing. Of Taoism, for another.
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