I'm interested to hear from any Christians that care to share, on experiences they have had which could not, in any other possible way, be attributed to some other cause. Please think about what you are about to write, I'd like the relaying of these experiences to be as detailed as possible.
Originally posted by StarrmanTell us how you know for certain that you are male, which cannot be attributed to some other cause - and we'll tell you our experiences.
I'm interested to hear from any Christians that care to share, on experiences they have had which could not, in any other possible way, be attributed to some other cause. Please think about what you are about to write, I'd like the relaying of these experiences to be as detailed as possible.
Originally posted by lucifershammerThe notion of gender relies on the presence of particular chromosomes, the fact that I have one X and one Y chromosome and not two X chromosomes makes me male. The fact that I am male cannot be demonstrated as having any other basis.
Tell us how you know for certain that you are male, which cannot be attributed to some other cause - and we'll tell you our experiences.
Why the reluctance and why the need for a clarification on the nature of gender?
Originally posted by StarrmanTo some other cause than... ?
I'm interested to hear from any Christians that care to share, on experiences they have had which could not, in any other possible way, be attributed to some other cause. Please think about what you are about to write, I'd like the relaying of these experiences to be as detailed as possible.
Originally posted by StarrmanHow do you know you have one X and one Y chromosome? Have you ever had a test done? If so, how do you know the test results are reliable?
The notion of gender relies on the presence of particular chromosomes, the fact that I have one X and one Y chromosome and not two X chromosomes makes me male. The fact that I am male cannot be demonstrated as having any other basis.
Why the reluctance and why the need for a clarification on the nature of gender?
The nature of gender was just incidental - I just wanted to pick something I knew you would be sure about before subjecting it to Cartesian doubt.
Originally posted by lucifershammerI'm not asking for a Cartesian reduction here, I'm asking for common sense reason. Yes I have had a test done and since I display all the phenotypes associated with male and the test also shows I also have the genotype, there seems to be 'sensibly' no other cause.
How do you know you have one X and one Y chromosome? Have you ever had a test done? If so, how do you know the test results are reliable?
The nature of gender was just incidental - I just wanted to pick something I knew you would be sure about before subjecting it to Cartesian doubt.
Originally posted by FreakyKBHYou're going to have to be a lot more detailed than that. Personal expereince we're talking here, I'm not looking for a presuppositional example of god.
Canon of Scripture.
Existence of Jews.
All of Creation.
Time.
That should keep things lively for a bit.
Originally posted by FreakyKBHNot really, although if any of you have had such expereinces I would like to hear them. I'm more intrigued by such cases as when someone says 'I spoke to god and he told me' or perhaps such things as the example of the sledgehammer and the concrete which appeared in another thread.
After posting, I realized you may be looking strictly for personal experiences. While I could certainly make a case for my personal experiences with each of the above, you're likely looking for assumed miracles and/or divine intervention?
Originally posted by StarrmanWhen you say "which could not, in any other possible way, be attributed to some other cause" you are asking for a Cartesian "reduction" - by definition.
I'm not asking for a Cartesian reduction here, I'm asking for common sense reason. Yes I have had a test done and since I display all the phenotypes associated with male and the test also shows I also have the genotype, there seems to be 'sensibly' no other cause.
Originally posted by StarrmanWhat's the example of the sledgehammer and the concrete? I presume it's something like "the concrete's all smashed up, therefore there must have been a sledgehammer".
Not really, although if any of you have had such expereinces I would like to hear them. I'm more intrigued by such cases as when someone says 'I spoke to god and he told me' or perhaps such things as the example of the sledgehammer and the concrete which appeared in another thread.
Originally posted by lucifershammerNo, not at all. I'm not attempting to find the utterly indubitable, rather to highlight the dubitability of personal experience. I'm asking for a common sense aspect here, an experienceable event which could not be caused by some other common sense and accessible factor of everyday and natural existence.
When you say "which could not, in any other possible way, be attributed to some other cause" you are asking for a Cartesian "reduction" - by definition.